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  1. #1 Main engine bearing failure 
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    Here's the back-story on the car (white '03 Grand Prix GT with 99K miles). We bought it in January for our 16 year old son. We did all the research, had all the checks done, but we have done nothing but funnel money into this car. It's had its Catalytic converter replaced twice (once in November when the dealership got it, and once again in January), new lower intake gasket, valve cover gaskets, plenum gasket and transmission pan gasket/filter (end of January), new heavy duty battery and starter because it shorted out (early February), oil pan gasket (March), etc. It's had at least two and possibly three oil changes since we got it on January 3 because of all the gaskets being replaced. There was a huge oil leak at one point.

    Fast forward to yesterday. My son calls on his way home from school. The car is making an awful, loud rhythmic clunking. It increases when he presses the gas and decreases when he doesn't. No warning lights at all, and it stalled once on the way home (about 3.5 miles from school to home). Took it to the mechanic today and he says it has/is a main engine bearing failure. He says it's not worth rebuilding and recommends finding a used engine. The car's computer memory has nothing in it about this. What could have caused this? Would you replace with new or used if it was your car? We've put a good $1500-2000 of repairs into it since we bought it (for about $6K). We've got too much in it to do anything but fix it, and we'll have to keep it until our son is 30 at this rate.

    These are the options given to us by our mechanic.
    1. Replace with used engine, 2004 Buick LeSabre with 68,000 miles, car not in accident but no one wanted to buy it due to cruise control sticking issue which was not an easy, inexpensive fix. He says it has nothing to do with the engine. He would have to replace some non-engine parts in the Pontiac to get the proper fit but the total, bottom line, includes all parts, labor, and tax is $2700.00. 90 day warranty. This engine has been available for 2-3 weeks and could be gone at any time.

    2. Replace with brand new complete engine. Total including everything is $3900. 3 year/36,000 mile factory warranty good at any GM dealer.

    3. Rebuild this engine. They will not do that at this shop. None of his mechanics have the experience needed so we would have to take it somewhere else. His issue with rebuilding is there is frequently damage that's not visible so is not reworked. Then when other problems come up later they have to tear the engine apart again to fix them. He says the main bearing likely has damaged other internal components.

    Any thoughts or suggestions? We are going to take it to a dealership to get their estimate as well. We are leaning toward the new engine since it has the nice long warranty.

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    replace it with a used engine. cheapest option you have.

    also, all you need is the block. do all the work on your own and you can have this done and over with for like $500.
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    But it cheaper necessarily better? We won't be doing the work ourselves, just have no mechanical knowledge or experience. He really likes the car a lot, so we'd like to be able to keep it going for quite a while, and not have to worry about a used engine crapping out on us. We've also had some friends that are into racing, or that do their own repairs tell us that sometimes there are compatibility issues with having a different engine in there and the electrical and computer systems. Have you run into that?

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    so long as someone changed the oil and not went WOT at every stop light then the block is just fine, even if it were a 100k mile one.

    if all youre swapping is the block then there will be absolutely no changes to the wiring or how the car runs. you might even get more oil pressure depending upon the condition of it.
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    A failure like this can come from someone not flushing some oil down the lifter valley and out the pan after they spilled coolant. Usually happens after they were pulling the lower intake manifold and coolant came out of it while lifting it off.
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    sabre, that is true, but at 130,000 my engine mysteriously died, number one spun rod bearing, oil light never came on... lets just say i now have a mechanical gauge..

    Anyways take it somewhere else and see what they quote you. Also, i can tell you that if the motor was half taken care of, its gonna be in good condition. I have dealt with the junkyard motors, taken them apart and found that even the piston rings were well within spec.... down to no wear at all on one of the engines (currently installed). The 3800 does a phenomenal job at not wearing out... the only thing i could recommend with a used engine is goin ahead at 100k and throwing in some bottom end bearings while it would be out.. if youre going that route and it will last for anther 100k easy.

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    Thanks, guys. We are getting 2nd and 3rd opinions today and tomorrow. Too much money to go on one opinion!

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    Well, the Pontiac dealership agrees the engine is toast. They want $3675 for the used with lifetime parts and labor warranty, or (OMG) $5100 for the new with 3 year warranty. A guy my husband knows from his car club (he loves them, but knows nothing mechanical besides very basic stuff) that is a licensed mechanic is checking it out Monday, and if he agrees that it needs a new engine he can match the dealership's used warrranty for only $2200. So, we'll see on Monday! Thanks for all your advice!

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    Get ahold of Ed Morad. Morad Parts Company - 3800 Motors, Transaxles, & Stock Parts

    Tell him you are from GPF and are needing a low mileage L36 short block (or long block if you want the whole thing). I've bought a couple motors from Ed and he does a great job. I'd recommend him to anyone. Never hurts to give him a call and see what he has in stock.
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    Lemon Law, to dump 2k in it and to all of a sudden have the engine blow is total BS, something from the get go wasnt right with the car,

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    We've decided to go with our 3rd opinion, the used engine with limited lifetime warranty for $2200 (including labor, etc.). I appreciate all of your opinions, especially those of you who said not to worry about used engines. We're hoping this will be the last major expense we have with this car for quite a while!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrewings View Post
    A failure like this can come from someone not flushing some oil down the lifter valley and out the pan after they spilled coolant. Usually happens after they were pulling the lower intake manifold and coolant came out of it while lifting it off.
    This is really what I think happened. When all those leaks showed up we took it back to the place we bought it and they did replace the lower intake gasket at that point. Anybody know if it's possible to prove that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GPSims39 View Post
    Lemon Law, to dump 2k in it and to all of a sudden have the engine blow is total BS, something from the get go wasnt right with the car,
    Unfortunately in TX lemon laws only apply to new cars still under manufacturer's warranty. This one was used, as is. We had them double check it for leaks, specifically, and they said there were none, yet a week later the driveway was covered in various fluids. They did do some of the repairs for parts cost only, but still...we're badmouthing the dealership to everyone we know.

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    I think this happened to me today. (weeping.) On Feb 14, I had a blown cylinder head gasket replaced on my 2000 GTP. The cylinder heads were machined. The low coolant light came on within a day. Mechanic said it was a bad sensor and replaced with AC Delco.

    The clanking got very loud over the course of about 10 blocks. It died in the driveway. Temp never got hot, oil is full. No warning lights.

    This car has 65k miles and has been babied like nobody's business. This is the first trouble I have had with her.

    I would appreciate any thoughts on whether the recent work on my car could have caused this problem. Is she worth fixing?

    First post, really appreciate you guys.
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    Welcome to GPF. The damage was probably already done when you blew the head gasket. Most likely your problem is the same as the OP's, or a spun rod bearing. Either way it sounds like you'll probably end up having to either rebuild or replace your engine. Fixing it will still be cheaper than scrapping the car and buying another...

    Also, you might start a fresh thread in the appropriate section, as this one is VERY old..
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    I will start new thread. I noticed the age, just didn't want to be rude with first post on new thread. ;-)

    Oh, and Thanks!
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