Thread: Air Intake Question

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 55

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1 Re: Air Intake Question 
    Who is this guy? SubwayGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Posts
    2,295
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    2
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by HighOctaneRacing View Post
    Seriously? That response sounds like the ricey-est thing I've ever heard. Function will always be the best over looks.

    If you care about looks more than function, you have some serious insecurities.

    if you want to blow money on a cai or a fwi, go for it.
    So you're saying that you'd take a rusted out, ugly Grand Prix that works flawlessly over a Grand Prix that has zero rust, no body damage and runs poorly?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2. #2 Re: Air Intake Question 
    GXP Level Member coolone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    NY
    Posts
    2,374
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    3
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Did mine purely for looks knowing function was no advantage other than a slight flow increase by removing stock box and corrugated tubing which unfortunately is offset by the added heat introduced from the engine compartment... Pick your poison!

    The HISssss and Whineeee are where it's at, lolz

    Overkill BBC Cam, YT 1.8 RR's, Rhodes Lifters, STGII Heads, GenV, Pacesetters, 3" Exh to Tips, TEP Trans. N*, ID 75# injectors/E85 coming soon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  3. #3 Re: Air Intake Question 
    Donating Users EHB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    843
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    i don't care about the looks or the sound. i just wanna do what ever makes the engine happy. i guess i'm gonna have to find out for myself since the opinions differ so much. experimenting costs money.
    2000 GTP - 3" Catted DP...ZZP Plog...9" Cone filter...Reptile pcm...3.4 pulley...AL104's
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #4 Re: Air Intake Question 
    I live here. Slick2500's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Rapid City, South Dakota, United States
    Posts
    7,464
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    2
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by EHB View Post
    i don't care about the looks or the sound. i just wanna do what ever makes the engine happy. i guess i'm gonna have to find out for myself since the opinions differ so much. experimenting costs money.
    Did you not read the link I posted? Nuff said.
    2003 Redfire Metallic Chevy Tahoe Z71 - Airaid Modular Intake Tube, Flowmaster Exhaust.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Sunfire Guy
    Superchargers take away horsepower
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #5 Re: Air Intake Question 
    Donating Users EHB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    843
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Slick2500 View Post
    Did you not read the link I posted? Nuff said.
    i did. read every post. as i said , i seen a bunch of different opinions and people discrediting the dyno data. you'd think for as long as these engines have been around that by now, someone would have solid indisputable evidence to put the debate to rest. i'm just gonna slap a 9 inch cone on a piece of pvc and see what happens .
    2000 GTP - 3" Catted DP...ZZP Plog...9" Cone filter...Reptile pcm...3.4 pulley...AL104's
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #6 Re: Air Intake Question 
    Moderator DanPrixGTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Grand Rapids, Michigan
    Posts
    5,488
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by EHB View Post
    i did. read every post. as i said , i seen a bunch of different opinions and people discrediting the dyno data. you'd think for as long as these engines have been around that by now, someone would have solid indisputable evidence to put the debate to rest. i'm just gonna slap a 9 inch cone on a piece of pvc and see what happens .
    k Bro. It's all opinion based, just like everything when it comes to modding a vehicle.

    - Some people prefer to gut the air box to keep the stock look but a little better efficiency.
    - Some people just do it to hear the whine of the blower and slap a filter on the TB because they give no sh1ts.
    - Some people put some PVC piping or some kind of "intake tubing" for a little neater look, but still budget friendly.
    - Some people spend the coin and get a "True CAI" with a box, mainly just for looks, as a dyno sheet has shown there is absolutely zero gain between a CAI and HAI since the Eaton Blower is just a massive heat pump anyways.

    Opinions are typically going to always differ between people. Welcome to life.

    Just choose whatever floats your boat and go with it. Not that difficult.
    '97 GTP - Stage 2 Heads, 90# Springs, 1.9 Harland Sharp Rockers, Gen V, 3.0, Intake, N* TB, LQ4, FSIC, 10.5mm Wires, Poly Mounts, SLP Headers, Borla Exaust, Built Trans - SOLD*

    '08 G8 GT - 6.7L 408CI Stroker, 239/254 Cam, Fast Intake, 102mm TB, CAI, Full Exhaust.





    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #7 Re: Air Intake Question 
    Who is this guy? SubwayGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Posts
    2,295
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    2
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by DanPrixGTP View Post
    k Bro. It's all opinion based, just like everything when it comes to modding a vehicle.

    - Some people prefer to gut the air box to keep the stock look but a little better efficiency.
    - Some people just do it to hear the whine of the blower and slap a filter on the TB because they give no sh1ts.
    - Some people put some PVC piping or some kind of "intake tubing" for a little neater look, but still budget friendly.
    - Some people spend the coin and get a "True CAI" with a box, mainly just for looks, as a dyno sheet has shown there is absolutely zero gain between a CAI and HAI since the Eaton Blower is just a massive heat pump anyways.

    Opinions are typically going to always differ between people. Welcome to life.

    Just choose whatever floats your boat and go with it. Not that difficult.
    How does someone do this? I would much rather do this than potentially messing up my mass air flow sensor. What exactly do you take out and does it involve any cutting?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #8 Re: Air Intake Question 
    GT Level Member MyLittlePony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Franklin, TN
    Posts
    268
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by DanPrixGTP View Post
    k Bro. It's all opinion based, just like everything when it comes to modding a vehicle.

    - Some people prefer to gut the air box to keep the stock look but a little better efficiency.
    - Some people just do it to hear the whine of the blower and slap a filter on the TB because they give no sh1ts.
    - Some people put some PVC piping or some kind of "intake tubing" for a little neater look, but still budget friendly.
    - Some people spend the coin and get a "True CAI" with a box, mainly just for looks, as a dyno sheet has shown there is absolutely zero gain between a CAI and HAI since the Eaton Blower is just a massive heat pump anyways.

    Opinions are typically going to always differ between people. Welcome to life.

    Just choose whatever floats your boat and go with it. Not that difficult.


    Just to add on this a slight caveat, since this is a FI (forced induction) car, you just want to get the air in and out as efficiently as possible, HAI or CAI will work, the real part to focus on is cooling down the air AFTER it is brought in and compressed through the supercharger, if you can get the most amount of air the blower will handle and then cool it BEFORE entering the Combustion chamber then you have made efficient use of your blower. Same concept with a turbo and intercooler, most of the reason a lot of guys I know run screens on their turbos and not filters.

    Slight edit, I would say if you could also cool the air inside the blower that would be even better. Just the little things to consider.
    Last edited by MyLittlePony; 04-14-2015 at 10:20 AM.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #9 Re: Air Intake Question 
    GT Level Member MyLittlePony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Franklin, TN
    Posts
    268
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I built mine for function, the blower is working to get more air in, I am working to make that process as efficient as possible, then looking to do a heat exchanger for it to cool it, now I still need to build a box around the intake but it is worth while to allow the engine to breathe as much as possible. I ordere a 45 degree silicone elbow, a 4" piece of 4" diameter airaid intake tube and a K&n filter then put the IAT in the 45 degree elbow. It is not pretty but it works.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #10 Re: Air Intake Question 
    GTX Level Member nos4blood70's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    1,416
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    You need a dremel tool and you cut out some baffles. But not sure you why you think you'll ruin the MAF unless you bathe the cone in K&N oil.
    -Carl
    "Penelope" - 145k Miles 2003 Bonneville SLE


    Reply With Quote  
     

  11. #11 Re: Air Intake Question 
    Moderator DanPrixGTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Grand Rapids, Michigan
    Posts
    5,488
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    But the OP wanted to know about intake setups. So I answered his questions.

    Obviously an intercooler is going to yield you way more benefits than an intake. What kind of intake you have with these cars, doesn't really matter.

    Now if we're talking about cooling the air post-blower, that's a completely different topic.
    '97 GTP - Stage 2 Heads, 90# Springs, 1.9 Harland Sharp Rockers, Gen V, 3.0, Intake, N* TB, LQ4, FSIC, 10.5mm Wires, Poly Mounts, SLP Headers, Borla Exaust, Built Trans - SOLD*

    '08 G8 GT - 6.7L 408CI Stroker, 239/254 Cam, Fast Intake, 102mm TB, CAI, Full Exhaust.





    Reply With Quote  
     

  12. #12 Re: Air Intake Question 
    Donating Users EHB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    843
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by DanPrixGTP View Post
    But the OP wanted to know about intake setups. So I answered his questions.

    Obviously an intercooler is going to yield you way more benefits than an intake. What kind of intake you have with these cars, doesn't really matter.

    Now if we're talking about cooling the air post-blower, that's a completely different topic.
    actually i just wanted to know if it was safe / beneficial , to just clamp a cone directly to the throttle body as some people suggest. i've already read the cold air vs hot air debates . my question was, is a length of tubing between the TB and the filter necessary . some seem to think that it's not.
    2000 GTP - 3" Catted DP...ZZP Plog...9" Cone filter...Reptile pcm...3.4 pulley...AL104's
    Reply With Quote  
     

  13. #13 Re: Air Intake Question 
    Moderator DanPrixGTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Grand Rapids, Michigan
    Posts
    5,488
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by EHB View Post
    actually i just wanted to know if it was safe / beneficial , to just clamp a cone directly to the throttle body as some people suggest. i've already read the cold air vs hot air debates . my question was, is a length of tubing between the TB and the filter necessary . some seem to think that it's not.
    Here's your answer:

    Do you NEED some kind of "tubing" between the filter and Throttle Body? No. Put a cone on the throttle body and clamp it down. Basically, put the IAT Sensor in the filter and leave it hanging in there. Personally, I do not prefer this way, because I feel like it looks cheap.

    I like to have some kind of tubing between the filter and TB because I think it looks better and it gives me a spot to drill a hole to put the IAT sensor in properly.

    Like I already stated, whatever you want, go for it. Want some tubing? Buy some. Want to slap a filter on the TB? Go for it. It's just what you prefer. Neither way is wrong.

    End debate/conversation/thread.
    '97 GTP - Stage 2 Heads, 90# Springs, 1.9 Harland Sharp Rockers, Gen V, 3.0, Intake, N* TB, LQ4, FSIC, 10.5mm Wires, Poly Mounts, SLP Headers, Borla Exaust, Built Trans - SOLD*

    '08 G8 GT - 6.7L 408CI Stroker, 239/254 Cam, Fast Intake, 102mm TB, CAI, Full Exhaust.





    Reply With Quote  
     

  14. #14 Re: Air Intake Question 
    GT Level Member MyLittlePony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Franklin, TN
    Posts
    268
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    ^^^

    Yeah I gotcha, I figured since people were starting to discuss further and your points are pretty spot on.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  15. #15 Re: Air Intake Question 
    GTX Level Member hensleya1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Beavercreek, OH
    Posts
    1,053
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I don't get why people keep citing the dyno thread as conclusive proof that CAI vs. HAI doesn't make a difference.

    Of course the car will make roughly the same power with an open cone versus a Thrasher box or other CAI setup – because the tune remained the same during all pulls. While using a CAI, the owner of the car failed to re-tune his car and add more timing to take advantage of the lower IAT… of course he’s not going to make any more power.
    2003 GT Limited Edition 199k - The $600 winter beater.
    2004 Buick LeSabre 172k - Top Swapped, 3.5 pulley, 1.9 rockers, SLP headers... still slow...
    MAKE AMERICA FAST AGAIN!
    Reply With Quote  
     

  16. #16 Re: Air Intake Question 
    Donating Users EHB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    843
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by hensleya1 View Post
    I don't get why people keep citing the dyno thread as conclusive proof that CAI vs. HAI doesn't make a difference.

    Of course the car will make roughly the same power with an open cone versus a Thrasher box or other CAI setup – because the tune remained the same during all pulls. While using a CAI, the owner of the car failed to re-tune his car and add more timing to take advantage of the lower IAT… of course he’s not going to make any more power.
    for someone like myself who doesn't now , or maybe will never have access to an in car tune , the information is relevant. now i know not to piss away hundreds of dollars on a CAI.
    2000 GTP - 3" Catted DP...ZZP Plog...9" Cone filter...Reptile pcm...3.4 pulley...AL104's
    Reply With Quote  
     

  17. #17 Re: Air Intake Question 
    GrandPrix Junkie
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    3,264
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by hensleya1 View Post
    I don't get why people keep citing the dyno thread as conclusive proof that CAI vs. HAI doesn't make a difference.

    Of course the car will make roughly the same power with an open cone versus a Thrasher box or other CAI setup – because the tune remained the same during all pulls. While using a CAI, the owner of the car failed to re-tune his car and add more timing to take advantage of the lower IAT… of course he’s not going to make any more power.
    I think the big problem with this is the way the M90 efficiency really is. Sure it crams in air...and colder air is better...but it's still going to heat it to umpteen bazillion degrees because that's how it works. So getting 10 degree cooler air through the blower is still going to be umpteen bazillion degrees...just maybe a tad cooler.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  18. #18 Re: Air Intake Question 
    GT Level Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Wisconsin!
    Posts
    268
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    ^not sure if serious?!? Really re-tune for adding an intake. You must be joking
    Reply With Quote  
     

  19. #19 Re: Air Intake Question 
    Moderator DanPrixGTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Grand Rapids, Michigan
    Posts
    5,488
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I would never Re-Tune my car for an intake. Ever. That's honestly the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile.
    '97 GTP - Stage 2 Heads, 90# Springs, 1.9 Harland Sharp Rockers, Gen V, 3.0, Intake, N* TB, LQ4, FSIC, 10.5mm Wires, Poly Mounts, SLP Headers, Borla Exaust, Built Trans - SOLD*

    '08 G8 GT - 6.7L 408CI Stroker, 239/254 Cam, Fast Intake, 102mm TB, CAI, Full Exhaust.





    Reply With Quote  
     

  20. #20 Re: Air Intake Question 
    GT Level Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Wisconsin!
    Posts
    268
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    GPforums......has now reached the level of dumb as the Honda forums.
    Reply With Quote  
     

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Yet another intake question...
    By fromne in forum 3.8L V6 Naturally Aspirated (L36)(L26)
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 11-29-2012, 09:00 PM
  2. Intake question
    By slic2121 in forum General Tech Discussion
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 06-20-2011, 10:40 AM
  3. FWI(fender well intake) question. Exhaust(cat) question.
    By DJspinner in forum General Tech Discussion
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 01-23-2010, 01:47 AM
  4. Question on intake and EGR
    By rodie1200 in forum 3.1L V6 (LHO/LG8)
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 07-30-2009, 09:21 PM
  5. K&N Intake Question
    By gpgt in forum 3.8L V6 Naturally Aspirated (L36)(L26)
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 03-22-2009, 06:22 PM
Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •