Thread: GM should be telling all of us thanks.

While we debate which car maker is superior than the next. We all seem to forget one small thing in all of them. The gasoline. My first car I owned when I graduated college back in 91 was a brand new Honda Civic DX Hatchback 5 speeder. Sure it fun for what it was, but it nothing special. Then I got my 4.6L V8 94 T-Bird and had that puppy for 8 years before it got totalled out in a car accident. And then my 97 GP GT I had for 6 months before good ole DexCool ate the motor, and then I had for 2 years my Ford Ranger XLT 4x4, and then its been GPs ever since, my GT I had for 5 years and then my 03 GTX for 2 years now. But what makes all the cars the same is the gas.

The reason I say this is simple. Everyone *****es about who makes a better fuel burning engine to conserve every precious last drop, but what a lot of folks don't realize is that the oil companies could refine the gas even better to improve ANY vehicle's over all MPG. People have proven what a little Acetone can do to your vehicles MPG when added to regular gasoline, why can't the oil companies come up with something like that stretch a tank of gas that much more?

People wanna point fingers at GM, Chrysler and Ford for making gas guzzlers, I am not gonna sit here and say a V8 will get 35mpg, unless its a diesel perhaps but if the oil companies could formulate a better burning and better conbustion type gasoline, half of our problems would be solved. Sure the Prius would last a month on a tank of gas, but in theory then a G8 GT might last a full week or two on a tank then.

If you think about it, you will understand what I am talking about

I Never said stock vs stock, thats first thing, i was talking about the mpg of a modern decently powerful 4cyl vs a vette which has amazing power but by the time you go around the corner and back tanks up. second my gt is quick dont get me wrong, but i can tell you i have gotten torn apart by a factory modded TC and looked in shock when the new SI went flying past me like the concord mods i dunno prolly a little tinker under the hood, and i know that the gas surge was not over night i never said that either, but you take all of your factories and put the breaks on to say no gas is up stop production make more efficient cars, its not gonna stop, the gas rose too fast for ford gm or DC to react, meanwhile the big 3 jap companies who are already making perfomance and luxury 4cyl cars were avalaible cheaper more efficient and the ones now pretty damn good looking. As for them making all the same kind of car/truck each auto maker does it. GM is the father brand such as ford, they make cars/trucks that are the same as the parent car/truck, the Grand Prix(pontiac) the Monte Carlo ( chevy) the Fusion (ford) the Milan (murcury) the Accord (Honda) the TSX (Acura) the 350Z(nissan) G35(infinity)not sure what the match ups between toyota and lexis are but they follow the same thing for the amount of brands they have they make cars to suit and it so happens with GM making the HUGE trucks they do INC Hummer had to make 3 HUGE trucks per brand and then the Hummer line. and ok ONE kill post from 2008 way before i even got here, there is no shame in posting a loss, having respect for the cars and work put into them is one thing being able to admit it, and just proclaiming how great a car is just because you/we own one, yeah i will have respect for my car and i will race just about ANYTHING on the road, but i will admit to the loss and have respect for the car even if its a 4 banger with nos, and not just say i dont drive slow cars, cause my statment is correct, a pontiac grand prix GT is not the fastest car on the road, its quick but there are others with smaller engines modded or not that are faster.

Originally Posted by GeddyLee

While we debate which car maker is superior than the next. We all seem to forget one small thing in all of them. The gasoline. My first car I owned when I graduated college back in 91 was a brand new Honda Civic DX Hatchback 5 speeder. Sure it fun for what it was, but it nothing special. Then I got my 4.6L V8 94 T-Bird and had that puppy for 8 years before it got totalled out in a car accident. And then my 97 GP GT I had for 6 months before good ole DexCool ate the motor, and then I had for 2 years my Ford Ranger XLT 4x4, and then its been GPs ever since, my GT I had for 5 years and then my 03 GTX for 2 years now. But what makes all the cars the same is the gas.

The reason I say this is simple. Everyone *****es about who makes a better fuel burning engine to conserve every precious last drop, but what a lot of folks don't realize is that the oil companies could refine the gas even better to improve ANY vehicle's over all MPG. People have proven what a little Acetone can do to your vehicles MPG when added to regular gasoline, why can't the oil companies come up with something like that stretch a tank of gas that much more?

People wanna point fingers at GM, Chrysler and Ford for making gas guzzlers, I am not gonna sit here and say a V8 will get 35mpg, unless its a diesel perhaps but if the oil companies could formulate a better burning and better conbustion type gasoline, half of our problems would be solved. Sure the Prius would last a month on a tank of gas, but in theory then a G8 GT might last a full week or two on a tank then.

If you think about it, you will understand what I am talking about

Very good point, i dont agree with the acetone tho, i put it in my old car and didnt see an improvement, and it was also on mythbusters with a negative result i did see this stuff online that is suppose to attact the molecules in the gas and "refine" it more to allow better burning and thus better mpg, is seems to work, but its a lot of money for a set of it(and it figures i cant find it) but it was an add on gasbuddy.

Originally Posted by GPSims39

I Never said stock vs stock, thats first thing, i was talking about the mpg of a modern decently powerful 4cyl vs a vette which has amazing power but by the time you go around the corner and back tanks up.

Nope, try again. The Civic SI you keep mentioning is rated at 21/29 and is a 15 sec car. The base vette is rated 15/25 and is a 12 sec car. 4 MPG difference on the highway isn't exactly "around the corner and back", and it would be able to do it before the Civic knew what was going on.

Guy for real? IM COMPARING SPEED TO ENGINE SIZE AND GAS MILEAGE NO **** A VETTE WILL TAKE AN SI , and still a 4 cyl that is 3 seconds slower in a straight line than a V8 corvette? i still give the Civic props for a 4CYL, and you stated it, HWY Miles, not everywhere in the US has nothing but hwy, with no traffic,

Again, 4 MPG difference ain't **** for the difference in power. If you're really going to start into the hp per liter crap or something, we'll just end this here. Only ricers car about that ****.

No your just someone who doesn’t appreciate anything but power in a specific brand car, I LOVE FORDS, I will always be partial to fords and the Mustang, I own a GM car I love it, its great, its got decent power with moderate potential. I can STILL RESPECT the engineering these other cars have, the fact that they can make a small lawn mower engine and have it push out HP in the 200's and go THAT FAST compared to larger engines and yet still be efficient and cheap is AMAZING, everything is the famed Corvette, an awesome car, brilliant in design, one of the most successful Muscle cars ever, Nothing stock that Ford has ever put out will keep up, HOWEVER if you cant appreciate the others for trying, with SMALLER ENGINES and doing a pretty damn good job, then you are ignorant, I can go on record and say I Owned a ford, I WON Races and I have LOST to both GM, Honda, FORD and Toyota and Nissan, I think that if any 4cyl car modded or not can take a V8 modded can earn GREAT RESPECT in the Auto Community, Scimmia your awesome, you always help me out with my GM issues with this car, but bro I have to say you are totally off, and need to check out what’s up around the auto world, im a firm believer in the V8 Raw Power, but if an engine half the size of the block can put out power to just match or even fall a little short, ideals need to be re thought up, what would the GM world think if they downsized the vette to match the times, and made it a small V6 Turbo? To add more efficiency to it, would you still love the car? Smaller engine, same power less gas?

Originally Posted by GPSims39

but bro I have to say you are totally off, and need to check out what’s up around the auto world, im a firm believer in the V8 Raw Power, but if an engine half the size of the block can put out power to just match or even fall a little short, ideals need to be re thought up, what would the GM world think if they downsized the vette to match the times, and made it a small V6 Turbo? To add more efficiency to it, would you still love the car? Smaller engine, same power less gas?

I think you missed my whole point. I don't care one way or the other about engine size at all. HP per liter and all of the other measurements the "tuner" community try to use is total crap. If an engine makes 300 HP, it makes 300 HP, who cares if it's a 4 or an 8, assuming that power is in a usable powerband, of course. I have a friend that spanked me in his Talon that ran consistent 13.2s. Does that make it better than any other car that runs 13.2s with a V6 or a V8? Hell no! You are FAR too hung up on engine size. If GM can take a 6.3L engine and get 25 MPG with 430HP, I don't see where your argument about smaller engines using less gas comes into play at all. I've pulled 36 MPG on the highway when my car was stock!

but that is only HWY, look if GM Ford and DC can make V8's that can get even 20 city mpg of course HWY would be much better, my main point of all of this from the get go is that the price of gas is what crippled the big 3, mainly because of the big engines, yes GM nailed it with the cyl shut down at hwy speeds (so did honda), and the reason why the big 3 jap companies are doing so well and people are switching is because they make fuel efficent (city miles) cars with pretty damn good power, and its impressive, if a 4 cyl can run neck and neck with a v6 or even an 8 with a few modds, that is impressive and i also said the average person, obviously not everyone on here because we are all racer/tuners of course we want a big block at our feet, i for one would love to put a V8 in my GP, and if you showd me two cars, a civic that gets 26/35 and a Mustang V8 that gets 22/29, then i would go with the mustang, that is damn good mileage for a V8 but if the stang had its typical 14/20 then no, times we are in today no,

they do make v8 cars that get 20 mpg city...

where!?

the GTO.

Bro Mad props for Mad Skills to get a car rated at 15 city to 23mpg, teach me how to drive like that and i'll get like 26mpg city on my gp LOL

And Bio, the 2006 GTO based on the MPG EPA Sticker gets the same as the G8 15/23 it takes really good driving to squeaze out just a city of 20 combined hwy and city is estimated @ 18 Mpg

what about the manual one? how about if you tune your car really well and actually have it run better than stock?

what if you dont believe what the stickers read because they are usually lies? i think youre just pulling numbers out of someone elses ass expecting us to side with you.

Originally Posted by Bio248

what if you dont believe what the stickers read because they are usually lies? i think youre just pulling numbers out of someone elses ass expecting us to side with you.

Very well put IMO. Quit googling numbers to impress others.

I think you have to look past the numbers and see what you're getting. People know when they buy the car they are buying it for the fun, not the MPG's. You think people buy a Civic Si and think they are gonna go fast? Nope. Slow...still gets good mpg's. That's it. Hell, I've been able to pull an average of 24.9mpg around town and 31-33mpg's on the highway. It is all based on the right foot and you're tuning skills whether you will get good mpg's or not. End of story. I could get 26mpg city out of your GT...it'll get beat by Geo's but it'll turn 26 city 40 highway.

I love threads like this.

its all in the way you drive. ive got 24.5 mpg out of my gtp in the city and i even raced a caddy, UP HILL.

i actually just got 23 mpg in my gp the last tank. i was like :O