It may not technically be KNOCK retard... I guess you could call it ABUSE retard...

I guess my question is if you are commanding say 18*, the torque management kicks in, bringing it down to whatever value is in the settings (lets say 15*), then what would that be called?

I guess since the pcm is now commanding this timing, it technically is not KR. But, it is still retarding from what you want to command...

right?