Thanks for all the replies. I really enjoy using this forum because generally everybody here seems nice and willing to help out. I am a member of civicforums.com as my dd is a 97 civic. Everybody there seems to be an a**. Like you ask a question and nobody will answer or people are rude. It really makes me want a grand prix myself. I love the mpgs of the civic but love the power of the grand prix... even if it is the slow n/a one