Thread: GM should be telling all of us thanks.

Originally Posted by 02GrandPrixIraqVet

How can you argue taste?? thats like saying I like apples but not oranges thats all preference.

Thats my opinion bubba, thats all I can say.

I was about to say if you plan on replacing a tranny again, give Dave and Triple Edge a call, he'll give you a trans that will last. I don't think I could or would trust anyone else nowadays. Hopefully you're trans is alright though.

I can say one thing for sure, no one around here can build a 4T65, believe me, i've done my homework, don't by a trans here, LOL...

We all know the the demise of the big three relates to oil, in the mid to late 90's early 2000's with gas between 1.20 and 1.50 a gallon who woulndt want the power of a V8 and it was proven that american cars and trucks had nothing but raw power in the V8, the Jap cars, Nissan Toyota Honda, they all made lighter more efficient cars, a decently powerd 4cyl powerplant, with room to grow and great gas mileage, then BOOM we are hit with 4.50 gas prices, of course the big 3 are gonna fall, who wants a V8 that will take as much gas as you spend on your weekly shop, for Ford, GM and DC to put the brakes on in time and produce more fuel efficient cars was impossible, never in my life would i see a 1990 Honda civic cost more used than a Mustang or a Camaro thats the age we are now in, no one can afford 100 bucks a tank full when you got a strong binge drinking V8. Even our cars with a V6 we have a 18 gal gas tank, i can get up to max 290 300 on a great week, other cars with 13 gal tanks and a V8 please your weeks pay gets you back and forth to work. The only thing GM did that Honda did was the invention of having cyl shut down at hwy speeds, a great innovation, thats what gives the larger engine hondas their mileage, every auto maker should have this, and the mod option for older cars as well,

thank you! it is true, in these times would the average person rather drive a car that has an 18 gal tank and gets 250 miles to the tank or a car with 13 gal and gets near 350-375,

Originally Posted by GPSims39

thank you! it is true, in these times would the average person rather drive a car that has an 18 gal tank and gets 250 miles to the tank or a car with 13 gal and gets near 350-375,

the one that only gets 250 miles to an 18 gallon tank. i dont drive slow cars.

Originally Posted by my engine is upside down

I think the average person should test drive a vette and then a civic and then choose. People are making a huge deal out of the number and not doing all of the math. "OMG it costs me $250 in gas to go from Nashville to New Orleans 1 way at $4 a gallon" c'mon, gas is $2 a gallon and its still cheaper to fly AND rent a car for the weekend.

Cars, even when gas was $5 a gallon, were a status symbol. Sure a Prius gets a lifetime to a tank of gas, but how many phone numbers will you get with one of those? I'm sure the club girls are saying "he's a catch, he's economical!" Of course you could show up in a fully tuned highly modded Civic and catch a few numbers, but then after everything you've done, you probably could have just bought a Vette, saved alot of time, and gotten the same amount of respect. Didn't see too many guys trading in Vettes for Civics during the gas crunch.

I blame the media and the soccer moms (and dads) that loaded up their Hummers and Navigators with 3500lbs of extra cargo and got 8 miles to the gallon screaming "Unacceptable!"

There was so much that could have been done. If a V8 car is the problem, dont super
mass produce them! Limit run them on an as needed basis. When my dad bought his G8, there was 1 V6 G8 on the lot, and 40 V8's. Thats the problem. In a gas crunch, how could you sell that?! Limit production on the gas hogs and keep production costs down. It'll make cars cheaper, values rise, and everyone happy.

I'm done rambling. I probably dont make any sense anyways haha.

thats why i said the average person, its all fact, and your right you dont see people trading in their vettes, hell i woulndt trade it in if i spend that kind of money for a dream car, but you DID see the number of used 4cyl go up, people with these monster suv's Vettes stangs, who i only really see now on the really nice weekends for drives, are now driving beaters or decent 4cyl cars to go to and from work, the reason for the mass production at that time was because there was a mass demand for them plain and simple, everyone wanted an H1, Everyone wanted a Jacked up powerful SUV, Truck, Car and the numbers match. and what i said above when the gas "crissis" hit, they were not able to just put the breaks on it, esp when gas shoots up as fast as it did not gonna happen, Also you make the comment on test drive a vette then a civic, im glad you have money, most of america now is in the hole, sure TEST DRIVING is fun and yeah based on a test drive i will take a damn vette hands down, but in the real world, where the economy is horrible, no one in their right mind unless they are loaded or their mommies and daddies will buy them any car they want AND pay for the gas will take the vette over a new civic. Not only are the new civics great peices of technology, but as you said, when you can RENT a car why not just rent a Vette, it will be cheaper now anyway. Do the math, Take the average Vette car payment, add in the INS add in the GAS and then add in the Rental Fee for a long trip, Hello Mr. Gates can i borrow some money? too much in todays economy for anyone, even the rich around here on long island dont drive their lambo's as much because of the constraints of the economy.

Edit: also if you NEED a sweet ride to get a chick then there are more problems than just the car.

Originally Posted by Bio248

the one that only gets 250 miles to an 18 gallon tank. i dont drive slow cars.

We all drive GP not the fastest car on the road, racing a new civic SI will still get more miles to the gallon and its a pretty fast car, everyone on here is way too judgemental over the imports, Im American Muscle all the way, i know fast and i know slow, Slow is the Saturn Ion 3 that is the slowest car i have ever driven, the fastest was a 2000 Audi S4 TT V6, and i will tell you what, we all talk about our KILLS on here, oh i killed that stang or i killed that squirrel driven cart, whoopie doo, we NEVER talk about our losses, and i bet any amount of money that NO ONE on here will ever admit to losing to an import with 4 cyl, it has happend and it has prolly happend to just about everyone on here once, rolling up to a civic that doenst look too bad the next thing you know the turbo spools and you are picking rubber out of your teeth. now if you just lost to a 4cyl honda toyota nissan how the hell can you say its slow, you only drive fast cars, cause i will tell you what, even if the race is close those things are still beasts, then what happens when we are done losing the race, we are filling up our tanks and they keep on going

Originally Posted by GPSims39

We all drive GP not the fastest car on the road, racing a new civic SI will still get more miles to the gallon and its a pretty fast car, everyone on here is way too judgemental over the imports, Im American Muscle all the way, i know fast and i know slow, Slow is the Saturn Ion 3 that is the slowest car i have ever driven, the fastest was a 2000 Audi S4 TT V6, and i will tell you what, we all talk about our KILLS on here, oh i killed that stang or i killed that squirrel driven cart, whoopie doo, we NEVER talk about our losses, and i bet any amount of money that NO ONE on here will ever admit to losing to an import with 4 cyl, it has happend and it has prolly happend to just about everyone on here once, rolling up to a civic that doenst look too bad the next thing you know the turbo spools and you are picking rubber out of your teeth. now if you just lost to a 4cyl honda toyota nissan how the hell can you say its slow, you only drive fast cars, cause i will tell you what, even if the race is close those things are still beasts, then what happens when we are done losing the race, we are filling up our tanks and they keep on going

Wow, are you kidding me? are you doing driving a GP then? Yes imports can be made fast, but stock, they're NOTHING like you make them out to be.

opions are like assholes, everybody has one....

anything can be made fast with the right amount of money. i give all the credit in the world to a civic that will stomp a vette like its standing still, but the fact is that not many people have enough money to do that.

stock versus stock, usually the bigger motor will win out by a decent margin.