Thread: GM should be telling all of us thanks.

Originally Posted by GPSims39

I Never said stock vs stock, thats first thing, i was talking about the mpg of a modern decently powerful 4cyl vs a vette which has amazing power but by the time you go around the corner and back tanks up.

Nope, try again. The Civic SI you keep mentioning is rated at 21/29 and is a 15 sec car. The base vette is rated 15/25 and is a 12 sec car. 4 MPG difference on the highway isn't exactly "around the corner and back", and it would be able to do it before the Civic knew what was going on.

Guy for real? IM COMPARING SPEED TO ENGINE SIZE AND GAS MILEAGE NO **** A VETTE WILL TAKE AN SI , and still a 4 cyl that is 3 seconds slower in a straight line than a V8 corvette? i still give the Civic props for a 4CYL, and you stated it, HWY Miles, not everywhere in the US has nothing but hwy, with no traffic,

Again, 4 MPG difference ain't **** for the difference in power. If you're really going to start into the hp per liter crap or something, we'll just end this here. Only ricers car about that ****.

No your just someone who doesn’t appreciate anything but power in a specific brand car, I LOVE FORDS, I will always be partial to fords and the Mustang, I own a GM car I love it, its great, its got decent power with moderate potential. I can STILL RESPECT the engineering these other cars have, the fact that they can make a small lawn mower engine and have it push out HP in the 200's and go THAT FAST compared to larger engines and yet still be efficient and cheap is AMAZING, everything is the famed Corvette, an awesome car, brilliant in design, one of the most successful Muscle cars ever, Nothing stock that Ford has ever put out will keep up, HOWEVER if you cant appreciate the others for trying, with SMALLER ENGINES and doing a pretty damn good job, then you are ignorant, I can go on record and say I Owned a ford, I WON Races and I have LOST to both GM, Honda, FORD and Toyota and Nissan, I think that if any 4cyl car modded or not can take a V8 modded can earn GREAT RESPECT in the Auto Community, Scimmia your awesome, you always help me out with my GM issues with this car, but bro I have to say you are totally off, and need to check out what’s up around the auto world, im a firm believer in the V8 Raw Power, but if an engine half the size of the block can put out power to just match or even fall a little short, ideals need to be re thought up, what would the GM world think if they downsized the vette to match the times, and made it a small V6 Turbo? To add more efficiency to it, would you still love the car? Smaller engine, same power less gas?

Originally Posted by GPSims39

but bro I have to say you are totally off, and need to check out what’s up around the auto world, im a firm believer in the V8 Raw Power, but if an engine half the size of the block can put out power to just match or even fall a little short, ideals need to be re thought up, what would the GM world think if they downsized the vette to match the times, and made it a small V6 Turbo? To add more efficiency to it, would you still love the car? Smaller engine, same power less gas?

I think you missed my whole point. I don't care one way or the other about engine size at all. HP per liter and all of the other measurements the "tuner" community try to use is total crap. If an engine makes 300 HP, it makes 300 HP, who cares if it's a 4 or an 8, assuming that power is in a usable powerband, of course. I have a friend that spanked me in his Talon that ran consistent 13.2s. Does that make it better than any other car that runs 13.2s with a V6 or a V8? Hell no! You are FAR too hung up on engine size. If GM can take a 6.3L engine and get 25 MPG with 430HP, I don't see where your argument about smaller engines using less gas comes into play at all. I've pulled 36 MPG on the highway when my car was stock!

but that is only HWY, look if GM Ford and DC can make V8's that can get even 20 city mpg of course HWY would be much better, my main point of all of this from the get go is that the price of gas is what crippled the big 3, mainly because of the big engines, yes GM nailed it with the cyl shut down at hwy speeds (so did honda), and the reason why the big 3 jap companies are doing so well and people are switching is because they make fuel efficent (city miles) cars with pretty damn good power, and its impressive, if a 4 cyl can run neck and neck with a v6 or even an 8 with a few modds, that is impressive and i also said the average person, obviously not everyone on here because we are all racer/tuners of course we want a big block at our feet, i for one would love to put a V8 in my GP, and if you showd me two cars, a civic that gets 26/35 and a Mustang V8 that gets 22/29, then i would go with the mustang, that is damn good mileage for a V8 but if the stang had its typical 14/20 then no, times we are in today no,

they do make v8 cars that get 20 mpg city...

where!?

the GTO.

Bro Mad props for Mad Skills to get a car rated at 15 city to 23mpg, teach me how to drive like that and i'll get like 26mpg city on my gp LOL

And Bio, the 2006 GTO based on the MPG EPA Sticker gets the same as the G8 15/23 it takes really good driving to squeaze out just a city of 20 combined hwy and city is estimated @ 18 Mpg

what about the manual one? how about if you tune your car really well and actually have it run better than stock?

what if you dont believe what the stickers read because they are usually lies? i think youre just pulling numbers out of someone elses ass expecting us to side with you.

Originally Posted by Bio248

what if you dont believe what the stickers read because they are usually lies? i think youre just pulling numbers out of someone elses ass expecting us to side with you.

Very well put IMO. Quit googling numbers to impress others.

I think you have to look past the numbers and see what you're getting. People know when they buy the car they are buying it for the fun, not the MPG's. You think people buy a Civic Si and think they are gonna go fast? Nope. Slow...still gets good mpg's. That's it. Hell, I've been able to pull an average of 24.9mpg around town and 31-33mpg's on the highway. It is all based on the right foot and you're tuning skills whether you will get good mpg's or not. End of story. I could get 26mpg city out of your GT...it'll get beat by Geo's but it'll turn 26 city 40 highway.

I love threads like this.

its all in the way you drive. ive got 24.5 mpg out of my gtp in the city and i even raced a caddy, UP HILL.

i actually just got 23 mpg in my gp the last tank. i was like :O

Originally Posted by Bio248

i actually just got 23 mpg in my gp the last tank. i was like :O

Getting 25.8 right now BOOOOOOIIIIIII



LOL

some one else's lies? I get the numbers and analize numbers thats what i do for a living, its called research and doing homework before you speak, yes it does have to do with how someone drives, however the NEW stickers are more accurate than the old ones, the old stickers said my explorer would get 18 mpg city with the 4.0l V6, its tuned up, driven mostly on highway and according to the average i get about 16-17 mixed on a good week, and according to the sticker that IS the manual one, the auto gets 14city, now if you can Manipulate a G8 and get 23city out of her from a base sticker of 15 then damn amazing, but then your babying the car and not driving it the way its meant to be driven, i see it with my GP, i drive it good easy on the gas and i ca get about 125 by the time i hit 3/4 of a tank, the second im in a rush and driving the car the way it was meant to be driven, im at 1/2 a tank and 140-150 miles, The one thing that still gets me, is the comment bio made of " I dont drive slow cars", and this crap going back and forth about the SI, the Stock GTP is rated with a 1/4 mile time of 14.9 as per the post above, the SI get 15.22 1/4 mile time, not THAT MUCH FASTER than a stock GTP, and i think that statements such as that are BS, if your an Auto Enthusist your response should be, damn thats pretty quick, not i dont drive slow cars.

Get over the stickers. Jesus Christ. They are a estimate. And even if you are so "sticker" knowledgeable, then why don't you tell me how they even say "This is a estimate. Some drivers will get more like this XX-XX." Something is wrong with your GT GP then. I have a heavily modded GTP even with GEARS (mods in sig) and I get about 100-130 out of a 1/4 tank and get around 200-250 for my 1/2 tank. Guess it is all of that power you have burning all that gas.

LOL, MY GTP w/ 170,000 miles w/ 3.29s and a 3,000 stall got 30-31 mpg on the highway 2 weekends ago on a road trip out of town. I drove about 75 mph most of the way (sneeking up to 80 now and then, momma was with me though).

I'll have to say, of my whole lifetime of buying cars, I NEVER have EVER factored in "gas mileage" into buying a vehicle, I could give a **** less honestly. When the damn car needs gas, go to the damn gas station and fill the SOB up. I drive 3 vehicles which all require 91+ octane, you never hear me *****. Granted 2 of them easily get 30 mpg without any troubles, the other one ain't quite as friendly. I'm not a rich man, i'm an average working man like everyone else here, i've never had to worry about putting gas in any of my vehicles, thats been the least of my worries. Why do so many cry about it? I laugh at people that do, so does my dad, he finds people crying about gas funny too. Gas prices are going to go up, soon they'll be $4 a gallon, who gives a rats ass, you need it, you're gonna buy it like it or not. Not everyone is going to settle on a silly econobox car like so many tasteless people do nowadays. I'm not, I have pride in what I drive.

Thats all I have to say, flame me all you want, there are the facts, like em or hate em....