Remote start

[dpmeeks]

Im looking at installing a universal remote start in my 02 GTP.. has anyone done this as far as the wiring needed and all that ?

[Bronco Boy]

My buddy installed mine. Beers were good that day. LOL

[J57ltr]

What do you need to know?

[dpmeeks]

I was wondering if anyone posted on actually doing it as far as wiring and how to get around the factory alarm..

[J57ltr]

The factory alarm is easy to get around. There is a wire for arm and one for disarm iirc the system should be PK3 or pass key 3. Look at the12volt.com I believe is the website, there is tons of information there. Also google your year car so "remote start wiring colors 2002 Grand Prix". You should be able to find the wiring colors and locations there.

Make sure to test each wire to make sure that it is indeed the function you are looking for.

Most of the wiring is at the body control module under the dash and there are some wires for ignition1 and Ignition2 and start for the alarm.

Getting around the PK3 is pretty easy there are modules out there for that.

You will need a digital multimeter (do not use a test light). If you don't understand any of this then you are going to need to take it to someone that does.

Once you have the wiring information ask away and I will help you through what you might not understand.


Jeff

[Bronco Boy]

^ This.

Wiring: http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/...s.asp?tid=7175

I used the PKG4 to bypass the PKIII: http://www.dlcparts.com/transponderb...les-p-386.html

[dpmeeks]

Thank you !!

[Booba5185]

I used the cheap way to get around the bypass. I cut the pill out of the key and taped it to the Pass-Key sensor. Let me find the thread...

http://www.grandprixforums.net/threa...great-free-mod

[J57ltr]

It is an easier way, but you give up the the security built in. When I do an alarm I make sure that all the factory theft features are kept intact makes it harder to steal. I can disable an aftermarket alarm in seconds, if it's cheaply installed then you practically give the car away. Of course I have lived near a big city all my life. So I'm a little on the conservative side when it comes to delaying a thief. I also run the power for the alarm allllll the way to the battery so you can't just snip the power from under the car. I have had 6 instances of installs where I did a custom alarm and in only one case the car made it out of the driveway. Then the anti hijack was activated and shut down the car and activated a line lock so that if the person applied the brakes they wouldn't release. That car had almost as many relays as your car Booba. Lol. I also like to use an alarm with a NO starter kill. That way if the alarms power is removed the car still cannot be started.

Jeff

[Booba5185]

From what I've read, Pass Key is relatively easy to bypass as it is, so I was okay with loosing it. IIRC a lot of the bypass modules just have you put a factory key into them so the Pass Key system is totally disabled all the time. There might be different bypass modules that do't do that, but I do remember seeing those. I can't tell how the one linked above works, but you probably have the best idea since you used to install them.

[Bronco Boy]

It is an easier way, but you give up the the security built in.

^ This. Make these chump car thieves jump through as many hoops as possible.

[Bronco Boy]

IIRC a lot of the bypass modules just have you put a factory key into them so the Pass Key system is totally disabled all the time.

The one I linked is designed for "remote start only", so PKIII is armed as long as you aren't remote starting. Chip key is still required to drive.

[Booba5185]

I'll have to look into it should I ever move into the city. This works fine though, and my keyfob is LOUD when anybody messes with the car.

[J57ltr]

From what I've read, Pass Key is relatively easy to bypass as it is, so I was okay with loosing it. IIRC a lot of the bypass modules just have you put a factory key into them so the Pass Key system is totally disabled all the time. There might be different bypass modules that do't do that, but I do remember seeing those. I can't tell how the one linked above works, but you probably have the best idea since you used to install them.

it seems that some of the bypass methods are pretty weak these days. Back when I used to install we started with a method of wrapping wire around the ign switch and around the key about 18" away from the ignition then we took the remaining 2 wires and connected them to a relay that closed on remote start being active. With the wires disconnected the car could not "see" the key since the loop was broken. Later they actually came out with a module (box with a ribbon cable wrapped around on a circuit board and a loop for the ign switch that you put that key into and had a relay that turned on. Then came databus that you used your keys and would program into the module by connecting it to the databus and turning the key on and it would basically copy the info, and you had to have at least 2 keys. After that I kind of dropped out of the alarm and stereo scene and got back into racing.

lately all I see is crap installs where people are doing what we did in the past, but not even using the relay. They just wrap some wire here and there and tape it all up, horrible quality no sense of pride a ton of just wire mess. I charged premium prices to do an alarm and usually it was about $650 for an alarm with remote start, but you got wire loom, soldered and shrink and sealed connections. I would take a day most of the time to do an alarm. I told people up front about what I would do and some of them would come back with their cars hacked up and issues asking if I could fix it. Sorry take it back and have it removed I'm not touching that rats nest.

Anyway make ale sure the module you buy is a quality one ask about it before you buy and check around. I really haven't messed with them in years. I'm going to do my 05' soon, but I haven't even gotten around to looking myself other than to see that my alarm of choice Crimestopper, has been bought up by Rockford Fosgate. One of my friends just installed one in a 06' civic type R or something like that (6speed manual) and you actually program the module via a USB cable before you install it. He said that the instructions were in Erngrish. I was very disappointed, as I knew the GM from Crimestopper and was even an authorized service center. Hell they would call me on new vehicles to update wire locations for the wire diagrams you would call in and they would fax you a printout of the wire locations.

You can also blame me for Blue LED's lol. but that's another story.

Jeff

[JamesIvey24]

Jeff; I like both viper/python ...99.9% the same, except viper has a couple of extra features. They share harnesses and what not. I've got them installed on 3 of my rides, and fatherinlaw on two of his vehicles.

[J57ltr]

They are both made by DEI as I recall the Python was a cheaper (or higher line can't remember). I did a lot of Viper alarms back when I worked for one company and they were good, but weren't as programable as the Crimestopper or Code Alarms I did, at least back then. You had a lot of dealer only type things on the Crimestoppers with hidden features like manual trans and configurable outputs to do alternate action (on with one press off with another press), variable pulse and so on. So if I needed to move an amp rack or do something else custom it was easier to do with one of the others I also used the VSE Quantum (now I'm dating myself) it had a lot of functions. But I installed nearly everything Excaliber, Ungo box and some others. The thing I did really like about the DEI alarms was that the door lock relays were built in instead of just a - output for a relay. My advice on picking an alarm is get one that fits what you want to do. If your just looking to start the car and have alarm functionality you can typically go with a simple remote start combo, but if you need more functions then look at your favorite alarms upper models, if you have any plans go with an upper model it's a PITA to rip out one alarm and install another one in its place later if you decide you need something that you can't do with the alarm you got.

Jeff

[JamesIvey24]

My bonneville has a dei, that I don't know much about at all. When I bought the car back in 2002, I was told the factory keyfobs controlled the remote start. I got it to work twice I think, in 13 years. maybe I'll bug you later about it.

[REDCRAPGP]

Python,Clifford,viper are all made by DEI last time I checked. Only difference seems to be the remote..


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[J57ltr]

Clifford was bought by DEI sometime in the early 90's I want to say. Then they changed everything and pretty much just left the remotes looking the same, but they didn't have the range that they did before. Seems I always had range issues with the DEI alarms. That was another reason I liked the Crimestopper alarms, external antennas.

[J57ltr]

My bonneville has a dei, that I don't know much about at all. When I bought the car back in 2002, I was told the factory keyfobs controlled the remote start. I got it to work twice I think, in 13 years. maybe I'll bug you later about it.

Lol, well 13 years is a long time, do you have any of the documantation? If so it'll be easy, if not then you're going to have to crawl under there to get the model number, then I can look it up and figure it out. IIRC there were dip switches or jumpers you had to change to get it into a programming mode. I remember some of the alarms were like that, shouldn't be too hard to figure out though.

let me know.

Jeff