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    This is my first post to this forum. However, I've been a lurker for a while. I'm also a female and tired of feeling like I'm getting taken advantage of by mechanics. So I figured this was a good place to get some advice about my issue.

    I own a '98 GP GT with about 132,000 miles on it. I had the whole upper / lower manifold and plenum replaced when the car had roughly 70,000 to 75,000 miles on it in 2004. What are the odds of having the LIM gasket go bad again now, even tho it's the aluminum one? I was told by my mechanic I had a possible LIM / head gasket leak the last time I had it in for service to get the MAF sensor replaced. So let me start at the beginning of my odyssey in October of last year to give you a better back story...

    My low coolant light has been going on and off for as far back as I can remember so I've always been sure to keep tabs on my coolant levels. It started running slightly warmer than it should in October of last year so I took it in. They ran a pressure test and told me it was leaking from the elbows so had them both replaced. I went ahead and also had my upper and lower radiator hose replaced (the upper one had been collapsing) and a complete flush done. I was told then if it continued to run warm it might have a LIM leak. In early December my SES light came on so I took it in. They told me it needed a new thermostat which I had them replace. A couple weeks went by everything was fine, then right before Christmas I noticed a puddle of coolant under the front of my car so back to the shop it went. I was told my radiator had a leak in it and they replaced that along with a new radiator cap and a re-flush of the system. As I was pulling out of their driveway my low coolant light came on, so I went right back inside and told them. They double-checked to make sure everything was topped off, and told me I probably needed a new sensor they were notorious for going out. Well after all I'd spent so far I didn't have another $150.00 to give them to change it out so just kept checking my fluid levels from time to time. In February my SES light came on again. This time I was told it was running to lean, when was the last time I had the fuel filter changed? I couldn't remember so they changed it, fixed a vacuum leak and cleaned the injectors. Car ran wonderfully til about June when it started running hotter than normal while sitting in traffic. As soon as you would start moving again it would go back to normal. So back to the mechanic I went. They told me they couldn't find anything wrong except an air bubble, so they bled it. I was told these cars are prone to air bubbles if you add coolant into the radiator and don't bleed it. My hubby and I had been doing that when we thought it was a little low. So we figured problem fixed, and it was for about 6 weeks. I had to have it towed into the shop about a week and a half ago because it wouldn't start and when it did it wouldn't idle right, kept revving up and down on it's own like it was possessed, and smelled horribly of gas. I was told this time it was the MAF sensor. While they were working on it I wanted to them to check and see while it was still running extremely warm at idle. They ran a pressure test and could find nothing wrong except another air bubble that needed to be bled. They told me I probably had a LIM or head gasket leak causing the air. Fast forward to today I now have a small antifreeze leak under the passenger side front. It's not very big but now it's noticeable at least. Could this be the LIM again?

    I've never allowed this car to overheat, and I know head gasket problems are rare in these motors. I had an oil change not too long ago, and was told everything looks fine. There is no smoke coming out the exhaust, and the coolant looks good to me. I just want to make sure I fix the right problem, I'm running out of money for all these repairs. Please help!
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    An external leak like that is almost never a LIM gasket. If you look at where the top radiator hose attaches to the engine, that's right where the head and LIM meet. If you see silver in there between them, then you have th aluminum gaskets and should be fine forever as far as I'm concerned. Now..your upper could still be prone to failure, because the coolant ports aren't blocked and the EGR will heat the area between the coolant ports and potentially cause an issue. Still though..that is not going to leak externally.

    Try and get a better idea of where the leak is ending up and trace it back up to the car. Say it's under the radiator..or under the edge of the transmission etc. Then you can look around the engine bay and see what is leaking.

    Passenger side front..would be the coolant level sensor seal, radiator cap, excess from soneone adding, or lower radiator hose.
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    Would any of those cause air to get into the system also? When I had it bled a week a go they couldn't find a leak when they pressure tested. Could this all be part of the same problem or something else entirely? I'm taking it in tomorrow to be looked at for the leak, and wanted an idea of what to ask them? It's not even close to running hot right now. So I'm hoping it just took them 2x to bleed the system over a 6 week period.
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    Could even be a bad radiator cap. Or not aligned. You kow how the arrow points to the overflow hose.. ifi it's not..that'll be an issue.
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    Coolant elbows maybe?
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    Well the saga continues....

    I took it in to have the leak diagnosed and was told there is no actual leak. The mechanic said he ran another pressure test and it held perfectly. He said he tried everything to recreate the leak and it just wouldn't do it for him. I was also told both the radiator and the overflow were still full of fluid, and had not lost any from 2 weeks ago when they had bled it. Also, no air in the system this time, and it's not even close to running hot like before. They think the coolant was left over from when they bled and it added coolant previously, and had just dripped down the frame to the ground.

    They still thought it might have an LIM / head gasket problem because of the air in the system previously. I gave them permission to open the motor up and look at the LIM, and replace it if necessary. They don't do head gasket repairs so couldn't have that looked at by them. I figure they're honest because this morning they called to say they're 90% sure it's a head gasket, and they're not going to do the LIM. I'm only getting charged for 30 min of labor to open it up. He also said it could be nothing so wait and see if it starts losing fluid and / or heating up.

    Neither my hubby or I have ever overheated this car it's gotten 3/4 before almost to the red but we've always stopped it, so is a head gasket even a possibility do you think? Or is it possible from all the work that had been done since October of last year, as well as us opening it up and refilling the radiator til we learned to use the overflow only, it just had a whole lot of air in it that's gone now?
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    Not likely a HG. They rarely fail on these motors. I'd say it just had air in it. Since you weren't loosing any coolant then it seems fine to me. Even if it WAS a HG then you would notice a drop in coolant levels, which you do not have. So did they acutally remove the LIM again, or did they just pull the UIM and have a look?
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    It sounds like they just opened the UIM and had a look because he didn't even get all the way to the lower. He couldn't find any evidence of leakage so he stopped. He said it could be leaking internally but thought that was doubtful as it would've hydro-locked by now. We thought the low coolant light was going on and off due to air but this time there was no air, so not sure now.....

    I'm really hoping they bleed it well this time after opening the system up so we're not bringing it back again for an air bubble.
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    the sensor in the rad is probably gummed up and just needs to be cleaned, good old dex sludge at work there.

    if you not losing coolant, i think its safe to say your going to be ok.

    you can bleed the system your self, just wait for the car to be fully warmed up, then open the bleeder screw till a stream of coolant comes out. then shut it.

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