Further degradation of the 3800 scene.

[Pure2sin]

how is this not locked yet????

some of you are huge babys.


facts are: these NEW wbs headers are built like crap and not worth 600. case closed.

1 set was built like crap. So have we come to the conclusion that all of them are built like crap?

The other people that have gotten them say they look great.



This thread is one big game of telephone. lol

[Scottydoggs]

feel free to buy a set then.

[Pure2sin]

I understand that doing business the way I say he does, would be a poor business model. It makes sense as to why WBS is such a small percentage of income for him. So, you support my stance yet again. Thank you.



Whoever the source is, should at least be credited with the base product. That's why ZZP includes the name of the MANUFACTURER in certain products, like cams, valve springs, etc.

Why, you ask? Because it's its their product. Pretty simple.



Yes, I do know. A couple people verified in private, the topics I was bringing up. First, they asked how I knew, then they starting talking and verified it.

When the "mods' over at ClubGP knew I wasn't shutting up, they kicked me off. Why?

Because Mike is a ZZP customer.

You've provided nothing to this besides giving your admitted OPINION. Like you said, opinion isn't proof.

geezus, this is basic

Oh yeah. Before you or anyone gets froggy about what I am saying, realize that if the city and state Mike lives in would be very upset that there is a "manufacturer", within those boundries, that isn't paying the appropriate taxes, zoning fees, and/or liability insurances for a manufacturing facility.

Pretty clear you have no idea what you are talking about and are butthurt you got kicked off ClubGP.

Your 3rd sentence and last sentence directly contradict each other.

And again you use the tactic of "I do like your tactic of: You tell your opinion, then I tell mine, then you tell me I am acting like I know everything." lol

[Pure2sin]

feel free to buy a set then.

I wouldn't be interested in them but I am no going to dissuade anyone from them just because I know I can personally do it for cheaper.

[itsCOMPlicated]

I guess you cant answer any questions, then.

[Pure2sin]

I guess you cant answer any questions, then.

Show me a question and I will give my opinion just like you are doing. lol

[itsCOMPlicated]

Again. Where am I wrong?

[itsCOMPlicated]

Ok, I guess I am posting to a slow one.


How do you explain that Dorman parts that are labeled WBS show up to the consumer?


How do you explain parts that I received were stamped ZZP?


How do you explain the fact that ZZP parts show up in WBS boxes?



What parts do Mike at WBS manufacture? It says on the website that he ia a manufacturer.


I will let you catch up

[Pure2sin]

I am not going to retype all the answers so here:

How do you explain that Dorman parts that are labeled WBS show up to the consumer?

This thread is about headers but companies also do this all the time. ZZP does this will their fuel filters without naming their source. This does nothing to prove your point.

How do you explain parts that I received were stamped ZZP?

He probably does collaborate on more than a few things from ZZP and other companies but why is that bad? You are mad that it's not hand made by someone other than ZZP? I know for a fact he doesn't make his own pulleys and buys them in bulk from another source. Are they marked up in price because of this. No. So who cares?

How do you explain the fact that ZZP parts show up in WBS boxes?

See above.

What parts do Mike at WBS manufacture? It says on the website that he is a manufacturer.

the IC core which is the only one you can modify for single pass.... the WBS beltwrap, probably others....

back in the day Ron Vogel racing used to make fuel rails and LCA's for mike

Are you under the impression that to “manufacture” a part you have to build it with your own hands? Do you know for a fact he doesn't?

[Pure2sin]

If you want the last word you can have it. My points and information have been repeated many times over.

WBS headers are just a cheaper knockoff version of ZZP headers with outsourced less expensive parts but still perform just fine.

[SnowFlake]

You have no idea how they perform because you have zero knowledge about header engineering.

[Turbocharged400sbc]

Ok, I guess I am posting to a slow one.


How do you explain that Dorman parts that are labeled WBS show up to the consumer?

how come COMP cams rocker bolts are H&K grade 8 allen head capscrew bolts if COMPETITION CAMS doesnt make em in house?

because they took the time to find a supplier, put the research into the correct dimensions/strength, and bought off the shelf parts from a reliable supplier to sell as their own since they dont have the manufacturing facilities to make their own bolts...but wish to expand their product line.... its call a buisness supply chain....you can get **** cheaper if you bypass the middle men....

you sure as hell dont chose gas stations by the sign that says "we use sweet crude from texas to refine into your fuel vs that evil alberta sands crude..."

its called business

How do you explain parts that I received were stamped ZZP?


How do you explain the fact that ZZP parts show up in WBS boxes?

why does zzp charge you nearly 3 times the cost for a mazda millenia heater core made by ready-aire?!? sooo why does zzp paint ZZP on it if they dont make it?!?!

it may be that its cheaper for mike to use an existing supply chain to fill orders, he may have a deal with zoomer....who knows....they did used to be at each others throats and nowadays everything is all hunky dory...

i got used valvecovers from someone in a ZZP box....**** zzp shoulda cleaned em off a lil better

how about you explain to me why zzp modifies and machines a LIM for an IC core...then ships it out with metal shavings inside it even though its "clean"

What parts do Mike at WBS manufacture? It says on the website that he ia a manufacturer.


I will let you catch up

as i posted in the header thread. he makes the wbs IC as well as the WBS beltwrap. i know ron vogel used to make his mod'd rails and WBS/RVR LCA's

[Turbocharged400sbc]

zzp & Pacesetters > all

[itsCOMPlicated]

Trying to answer a question with, 'probably", "maybe, "might', isn't answering the question!

You don't understand that


for turbo:

you're right. ZZP doesn't manufacture all of their stuff either!


hahaha! True story.


so.. what does that have to do with WBS?


Example.

Yo walk into WalMart to buy cereal. WalMart doesn't say they make that cereal. It says, "Kelloggs" in big letters across the front. Why? Because the manufacturer of that cereal wants people to know who made it.

WalMart also has private label items. They are made by a company that WalMart chooses, then they have a WalMart logo slapped on it.

BUT....Here is the difference. The manufacturer of that cereal IS NOTED ON EVERY BOX.

Whether it is cereal, milk, corn chips, etc.

[stealthee]

Private label is private label, but WalMart doesn't claim to be a manufacturer, they are a retailer.

[itsCOMPlicated]

Comp Cams question.

1) The cams that ZZP sells are noted that they are indeed, Comp Cams.

2) There is a difference in Comp Cams hiring a third party to MANUFACTURE them for Comp Cams. That's what you are talking about. Somewhere, whether on Comp Cams website, or on the box, will show exactly where they are made.

BUT....here is the difference. When you buy a good or service from WBS, you, at that point, have a contract with WBS. Not with ZZP, not with Comp Cams. You have a right to know where that product originated from. Comp Cams wouldn't have to tell you ****. You didn't buy from them.

It is a business transaction, or a contract. Why the Hell do you think you get a receipt?

If WBS has headers that they say are manufactured by WBS, then they should be manufactured by WBS.

That is the difference

[itsCOMPlicated]

Stealth - RIGHT!


BINGO!

[ericspecullaas]

and when is this thread going to get locked?

[itsCOMPlicated]

why would the thread be locked?

[itsCOMPlicated]

afraid of the truth getting out?