Pfft...That's NOT a Grand Prix!

[FoSHO99]

It's a forum, not some group support website to make you happy everyday, that's what the porn is for on the internet. Everything you post is subject to someone else's opinion, you can either brush that opinion off or get butt hurt about it. In the end, we all watch the porn.

[Poil336]

Grand Prixs are awesome... well except for the supercharged models, they're terrible for regular driving... only if they're a track car are they good..

Superchargers actually take away horsepower because they add an extra pulley to the engine and that robs the engine of torque... and torque is needed to make ft-lbs, so if you have no ft-lbs, you have no horsepowers to run the pulley and the supercharger ends up hurting you.

Unless, like I said you're at a track or on the interstate and you can go over 100mph because then RAM AIR takes over and will force air into the supercharger and it actually becomes efficient and makes up for the extra pulley then.

please tell me you're joking, and that was some kinda vtec-based joke...

[Bio248]

a whole bunch of stuff i dont need to quote

youre my hero. i love all cars and it shows you do too. i have respect for anything that can wow me with anything, not just a certain car or type of motor.

[redlinepontiac]

yea pontiacs are cool but so is a TT cobra, a built stroked viper, built na k24 in a gutted civic hatch. im wierd i think everything is cool

[Wotgtp]

I have to admit I notice alot of people seem to think a car is super fast when it has a supercharger. My buddy asks, "it's got the supercharger, right? That thing must be fast." I said " yup 14's all day". *Laughs*

[redlinepontiac]

haha.
at our local track, my friend had her SI sitting off to the side and the honda humpers were amazed it ran 15.2Xs all night

[skippy1]

I refuse to feed that troll.

x2

[matt5112]

please tell me you're joking, and that was some kinda vtec-based joke...

he's mocking the sunfire guy.

[02 WS6 TA]

While I do observe occasional douchebaggery here, by far the hghest concentration of Mustang whiners and nuthuggers are found on LS2.com. I've never really understood the idea behind going to a car forum which caters to an arch rival in attempt to prove your case. That said, All cars suck. /thread.

[matt5112]

so says travass....

[02 WS6 TA]

It must be true.

[Durk Diggler]

Sunfire guy quotes ftw

[Just2Sweet]

The bottom line is that most of us on here drive mass produced, slow, FWD, automatic, V6 family cars that any teenager on a McDonald's salary can afford. If anyone thinks their super awesome L67 W-body is God's gift to earth, they haven't driven a real car yet. Or maybe they are just young and stupid, lol.

I love my Grand Prix, but I'm also realistic about what it is. It serves it's purpose, but it's not a true performance car. Yes this is a GP forum, but if someone occasionally wants to post pics or talk about a car other than a GP, it's not hurting anything. Like someone else said, I could talk about or look at pictures of cars for hours if I had time to kill. I don't care what kind of car it is.

[GtpKo]

I agree with the general flow of this rant thread.
By nature and name this site will always be a Grand-Prix-centric forum(forum=public discussion).

In my opinion, we need more out-of-the-GTP-3.4-pulley-box thinking, and more info on other cars out there to keep us grounded.

With Pontiac dead and the newest GPs possibly 4 years old already, it's inevitable many of us will move on to other platforms, I might have to in the near future myself.

I have had the benefit of driving a friends built '69.5 Camaro and '96 Z28 to break me in to what fast cars really are. Grand Prixs are nice cars all around, but perspective=WIN.

EDIT: I was a GM fanboy until Ford didn't take a bailout...

[matt5112]

You do NOT drive a first gen in the winters of canada...

[Big Dave]

First of all... Of course the supercharger makes drag... That's why you swap to the smaller pulley, to make it easier to turn that bad boy... But really why bother... The grim realization that our cars are aging at the same rate as last decades sit-coms combined with the latent performance and technology limits of the best engineering the 1950's had to offer is just soul crushing... Our cars were designed on a platform meant to distract buyers from Carters presidency... The device that provides the boost going to the top end was invented for the sole purpose of moving fumes out of warehouses during the industrial revolution...

Screw it I'm sellin my car! Anyone want it? Now don't think this is because it's obsolete and sad, or you won't want it... Maybe I've outgrown it... Maybe I need the driveway space... Maybe I just want something else because payments are cool, or I want to populate the board with pictures of diversity to offset this whole bigoted grand prix master race crap... Or maybe I gotta deploy soon and it's just sad for the poor car that it's in my care and the idea of it rotting in my garage for an unloved year while I globe hop seems useless... Or... I could be looking to get out before the GTP bubble bursts and Rush-bo calls our cars out as part of the conspiracy rending them worthless...

[sdavis11b]

Wow tell us how you really feel. Where you deploying to?

[jcmonteman]

that dudes a recruited globe trotter yo

[Big Dave]

You never really know where you're goin till you get a packet... It's just like any job really... They tell you to go do something somewhere, you do it, and go home...

[RareGMFan]

youre my hero. i love all cars and it shows you do too. i have respect for anything that can wow me with anything, not just a certain car or type of motor.

That's why I love the local w-body.com meets I've been putting together for the last 5 years (in fact, I started them DUE to the attitude I found at the ILGPC meets/website). Different group of people who mostly started out having Gen I w-bodies, and have a different mentality when it comes to cars in general. All we do for our meets is get together to eat (restaurant in bad weather, cookouts in good weather), yet the meets last for hours. For example, at a typically Fuddrucker's meet, we park our cars together and wait for everyone to show up from noon till about 2, go inside to eat around 2:30 or 3, car talk ensues after eating till around 4 or 5, and then we go outside to "leave".....and end up talking some more till 6 or 7.

By contrast, the one and only time I made the mistake of advertising these meets on ClubGP, which ended up being a Gen II GP fest, everyone wanted to eat almost immediately. So we went in to eat at about 1 or 1:30 (before everyone got there), were done and out of there by 2:30, went across the side street to a big empty lot and took pics till 3 or so.......and then..... everyone went home. Now don't get me wrong, we had our 2nd best turnout at that meet, and I didn't have any specific problems with anyone per se, but it was just the overall vibe. There was not much to discuss besides mods to do to the L67/'97 & up GPs. No one really seemed to want to just talk cars in general. I decided it was best to just stick to our original group, so I went back to only advertising our meets on w-body.