athiests...

[gtpsleeper]

Im ****ing SICK of my roomate... I go to KU (VERY liberal town Lawrence is...) and one of my roomates is an athiest which is whatever, to each their own. But finally today I was talking about Younglife (like a school sponsered youth group for those that dont know) and he said... and i quote... "people who believe in God are the biggest suckers in the world... believing in some kinda majic power all outta fear is..." Then i stopped him... still calm at this point... and proceeded to explain the logic in the belief of God (not gonna get into detail on that) and made him look stupid so he stomped off and said "Fine, go enjoy Younglife, and im gonna go praise my Mountain Dew bottle..." and slammed the door...

Ok im not one to force the belief in god on someone but if you dont believe in God, or even the logic of it... dont insult me. I in no way insulted his beliefs before this little "tif" so he had no right either...


phew ok... sorry i had to get that out...

[Fivefingerdeathpunch]

people like him, need to keep their thoughts to themselves about that stuff. Its not right to make fun of someones beliefs in life.

I for one dont go to church, but yet still believe in a higher power.

[NegativeOne13]

Im ****ing SICK of my roomate... I go to KU (VERY liberal town Lawrence is...) and one of my roomates is an athiest which is whatever, to each their own. But finally today I was talking about Younglife (like a school sponsered youth group for those that dont know) and he said... and i quote... "people who believe in God are the biggest suckers in the world... believing in some kinda majic power all outta fear is..." Then i stopped him... still calm at this point... and proceeded to explain the logic in the belief of God (not gonna get into detail on that) and made him look stupid so he stomped off and said "Fine, go enjoy Younglife, and im gonna go praise my Mountain Dew bottle..." and slammed the door...

Ok im not one to force the belief in god on someone but if you dont believe in God, or even the logic of it... dont insult me. I in no way insulted his beliefs before this little "tif" so he had no right either...


phew ok... sorry i had to get that out...

Dude, most Lawrence people suck. I hate most of em. When I'd party there, I got into a lot of fights. Manhattan on the other hand, hella fun. And full of a lot cooler people.

[gtpsleeper]

Dude, most Lawrence people suck. I hate most of em. When I'd party there, I got into a lot of fights. Manhattan on the other hand, hella fun. And full of a lot cooler people.

ive come to notice that...

[NegativeOne13]

ive come to notice that...

Yep. I used to live in Olathe, now I moved back up North more where I grew up. But yeah, the only good nights I had in Lawrence was with people I knew. Manhattan, I get lost and go to random parties and have fun.

[MrPoopyButthole]

I'm Agnostic, the idea to create atoms and molecules was not some coincidence

[T0pwater]

It seems plain as day to me that whatever side you fall on, it takes exactly the same amount of faith to claim there is no God as it does to believe in one.

It makes me happy when I meet people like that. It just tells me that no matter how hard we as people try to not believe in a god, the very fact that we have to have groups dedicated to atheism makes it more obvious to me that his mark is over everything. People by advertising their atheism actually ADD to my faith. If there was no god, why would we feel the need to deny his presence in the first place?

[gtpsleeper]

Truth^^^^ and there is 10000000x more logic in believing in a god than there is not to...

[rynoman03]

I haven't met too many Lawrence people I have liked. But I am a huge Kansas State Fan! I also went to school at KSU and yes people there are FUN!

[T0pwater]

Truth^^^^ and there is 10000000x more logic in believing in a god than there is not to...

May be true... however many brilliant Christian apologists (logical theologists) will admit that logic never saved anyone. I used to think there was merit in arguing/debating with people about this. But I realized through some frustration this is just not the case at all.

John 6:44: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me..." -Jesus

So faith is a gift... not something to be argued, debated, or proven. It can't be transferred from human to human. It is a free gift, given to those who will accept it. If I accept it and you accept it, it is not our job nor is it beneficial to anyone for us to argue with those who knowingly choose not to accept it.

That said, you have my respect for keeping your cool. I know it's not easy.

[gtpsleeper]

May be true... however many brilliant Christian apologists (logical theologists) will admit that logic never saved anyone. I used to think there was merit in arguing/debating with people about this. But I realized through some frustration this is just not the case at all.

John 6:44: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me..." -Jesus

So faith is a gift... not something to be argued, debated, or proven. It can't be transferred from human to human. It is a free gift, given to those who will accept it. If I accept it and you accept it, it is not our job nor is it beneficial to anyone for us to argue with those who knowingly choose not to accept it.

That said, you have my respect for keeping your cool. I know it's not easy.

this i know... which is why i made this thread... i had to vent...

glad someone understands where im at now though, worst part is that i have to live with this guy another 3 months and hold my tongue

[matt5112]

Agnostic as well.

I'll respect your beliefs as long as you respect mine.

Clearly your roommate needs a lesson in respect.

Which is sadly declining.

[SlowNA06]

If your roommate plans on preaching [sic] or soap-boxing atheist values, he ought to get himself some learnin' first. Atheists tend to be the most studied when it comes to the principles of a variety of religions because it is a necessity to ever open your mouth about it. Folks tend to leniency with theists in this because they are the majority and for the most part seldom discuss the existence or nonexistence of a thing they presuppose to exist. This is especially important if you want to end such arguments and still have any friends around - folks can get scrappy if you just go at it swinging. There's nothing bad about believing that someone else is wrong in the tenants and principles they base their lifestyle on; it is entirely another thing to outright degrade them because you feel they are wrong and should do as you do with no thoughtful explanation.

[KeithGTP03]

I steer clear of religion....there are too many different Gods out there and some of them sound like @ssholes.

[T0pwater]

this i know... which is why i made this thread... i had to vent...

glad someone understands where im at now though, worst part is that i have to live with this guy another 3 months and hold my tongue

I've found that in general atheists can be some of the most bitter, abrasive people. Of all the discussions I've had about faith with the most diverse types of people & beliefs, atheists have been the most blatantly hurtful. They go for the jugular every time. They're the only people that will call you stupid to your face for what you believe.

Judge a tree by its fruit... If you treat people that way, why would anyone agree that what you believe is right and want to be the same way?

[SlowNA06]

there are too many different Gods out there and some of them sound like @ssholes.

I lol'd.

[SlowNA06]

atheists have been the most blatantly hurtful.

The shame of this is that so many people will announce their atheism (or what they suppose to be atheism) as a challenge and a statement of some superiority over their fellows. There are plenty of genuine strong atheists out there, but I find the position is more often than not taken by people purely to be contradictory. I've always been of the (very incorrect) opinion that a proper atheist is probably a weak agnostic and ought to, at least for the sake of intellectual exercise if noting else, engage in argument to seek some truth to the matter; that is to say, if they feel they must publicly discuss the matter at all.

[T0pwater]

The shame of this is that so many people will announce their (insert faith here) (or what they suppose to be (insert faith here)) as a challenge and a statement of some superiority over their fellows.

Often true in the general form as well. In this case, the supposed faith is nothing more than an attempted faith in oneself. Because the self is all that is served through this approach.

[thunder71173]

I've found that in general atheists can be some of the most bitter, abrasive people. Of all the discussions I've had about faith with the most diverse types of people & beliefs, atheists have been the most blatantly hurtful. They go for the jugular every time. They're the only people that will call you stupid to your face for what you believe.

Judge a tree by its fruit... If you treat people that way, why would anyone agree that what you believe is right and want to be the same way?

If I was an athiest who had nothing but this world and the things that are in it for the very short time we are here to live for every day I would probably be bitter and abrasive too. I am a christian and feel very sorry for people like that but all you can do is pray for them and be as kind to them as you can. In a way that is like salt in the wound for bitter athiests who have nothing to live for, life is a test and that guy was put there to make you stronger and who knows you may shed something good on his life by walking the walk.......... Kill him with kindness and watch him squirm

[twol8uluz]

Ok, I don't consider myself "atheist", but at the same time not sure what/who to believe in. I don't preach my beliefs, nor push them on anybody else. Ur roomate was totally in the wrong for talkin smack the way he did. Im a realists, that's the way I think, I can't control that. There's noo way that I would try to control someone elses ways. Stand ur ground man, but don't push ur beliefs on someone else, sometimes its better to bite ur toungue, even if their thoughts/beliefs sound silly. My. 02.