athiests...

[T0pwater]

Truth^^^^ and there is 10000000x more logic in believing in a god than there is not to...

May be true... however many brilliant Christian apologists (logical theologists) will admit that logic never saved anyone. I used to think there was merit in arguing/debating with people about this. But I realized through some frustration this is just not the case at all.

John 6:44: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me..." -Jesus

So faith is a gift... not something to be argued, debated, or proven. It can't be transferred from human to human. It is a free gift, given to those who will accept it. If I accept it and you accept it, it is not our job nor is it beneficial to anyone for us to argue with those who knowingly choose not to accept it.

That said, you have my respect for keeping your cool. I know it's not easy.

[gtpsleeper]

May be true... however many brilliant Christian apologists (logical theologists) will admit that logic never saved anyone. I used to think there was merit in arguing/debating with people about this. But I realized through some frustration this is just not the case at all.

John 6:44: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me..." -Jesus

So faith is a gift... not something to be argued, debated, or proven. It can't be transferred from human to human. It is a free gift, given to those who will accept it. If I accept it and you accept it, it is not our job nor is it beneficial to anyone for us to argue with those who knowingly choose not to accept it.

That said, you have my respect for keeping your cool. I know it's not easy.

this i know... which is why i made this thread... i had to vent...

glad someone understands where im at now though, worst part is that i have to live with this guy another 3 months and hold my tongue

[T0pwater]

this i know... which is why i made this thread... i had to vent...

glad someone understands where im at now though, worst part is that i have to live with this guy another 3 months and hold my tongue

I've found that in general atheists can be some of the most bitter, abrasive people. Of all the discussions I've had about faith with the most diverse types of people & beliefs, atheists have been the most blatantly hurtful. They go for the jugular every time. They're the only people that will call you stupid to your face for what you believe.

Judge a tree by its fruit... If you treat people that way, why would anyone agree that what you believe is right and want to be the same way?

[SlowNA06]

atheists have been the most blatantly hurtful.

The shame of this is that so many people will announce their atheism (or what they suppose to be atheism) as a challenge and a statement of some superiority over their fellows. There are plenty of genuine strong atheists out there, but I find the position is more often than not taken by people purely to be contradictory. I've always been of the (very incorrect) opinion that a proper atheist is probably a weak agnostic and ought to, at least for the sake of intellectual exercise if noting else, engage in argument to seek some truth to the matter; that is to say, if they feel they must publicly discuss the matter at all.

[T0pwater]

The shame of this is that so many people will announce their (insert faith here) (or what they suppose to be (insert faith here)) as a challenge and a statement of some superiority over their fellows.

Often true in the general form as well. In this case, the supposed faith is nothing more than an attempted faith in oneself. Because the self is all that is served through this approach.

[thunder71173]

I've found that in general atheists can be some of the most bitter, abrasive people. Of all the discussions I've had about faith with the most diverse types of people & beliefs, atheists have been the most blatantly hurtful. They go for the jugular every time. They're the only people that will call you stupid to your face for what you believe.

Judge a tree by its fruit... If you treat people that way, why would anyone agree that what you believe is right and want to be the same way?

If I was an athiest who had nothing but this world and the things that are in it for the very short time we are here to live for every day I would probably be bitter and abrasive too. I am a christian and feel very sorry for people like that but all you can do is pray for them and be as kind to them as you can. In a way that is like salt in the wound for bitter athiests who have nothing to live for, life is a test and that guy was put there to make you stronger and who knows you may shed something good on his life by walking the walk.......... Kill him with kindness and watch him squirm