Man things are tough even for the thieves it looks like.

**coolone** · 07-14-2015

Love the warning shot mentality... TV much? There's only one reason you would draw a firearm and shoot it, and contrary to your thoughts, it's not to warm anyone. Secondly, that warning shot would constitute reckless endangerment. And to the Canadian way of thinking about stupidity... Let me ask you this, so when you find someone stealing your property, what course of action do you proposed? Run in the house and call the police? Wait it out and hope they don't come into the house too? When you confront someone stealing your property and they chose to resist, do you wait and see how? Do you think when you yell, HEY STOP, they will? In Canada, people are all pacifist?

One of the funny little things we have in our constitution is the ability to protect ourselves, and yes, that meant your possessions as well. Every state varies with the justifiable use of deadly force, and I don't advocate it so lightly. I just wanted to make a point that in the state where this is happening it is allowed to protect property. And although the TV version of running outside with your gun out is a bit melodramatic, when you do confront a thief bold enough to steal knowing he/she could be killed doing do, what do you think they will choose as their course of action? Never ceases to amaze me, certain mentalities... But maybe if they wouldn't steal from others, they wouldn't have to worry about getting shot. Of course once the police arrive and they survive they would exclaim that they just wanted to borrow the wheels, lmao, to get to church the next day.

lol

**wowitsfast** · 07-14-2015

Theives know the risk when they steal something. pepper spray? you gota be kidding me! pepreakper spray means they come back another time to break into your house with intent to do harm.. bullets mean dont go back there those people mean business

**Grimsin** · 07-14-2015

I would call the cops. Thats it

99% of ppl who are thieves are not murderers. And dont break into houses that are obviously occupied they wait for no one to be home

Ppl either steal or kill. They dont have the intention to both. Let the cops deal with it and insurance buy your things back.

**REDCRAPGP** · 07-14-2015

It's hard to say what you'll do until your in that position....

You have the right to project yourself and your properly and the right to bare arms. Some may disagree on what's right.. But that's our right.

If you have enough balls to steal or damage/trespass on someone's property you assume all risk and deal with the consequences. A pat on the back doesn't always work for some people.. get away with stealing once, there's a good chance you'll keep doing it until you have a oh sh*t Jesus moment.

Police?? Hahaha, because they always use their best judgement and can get yo you fast enough..what about those that live on the outskirts of town, outside of city limits?

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**Grimsin** · 07-14-2015

I use to be a landlord for apartments building. 90 units all together in a shady are. If it was kids/teenagers i could scare them to stay untill the cops came just be using my angry voice lol.
if it was adults i stayed inside called the cops and let them do their job.

**J57ltr** · 07-14-2015

Originally Posted by Grimsin

I agree with bandook.. youll shoot to kill for some wheels? Thats stupid..
What if someone driving by gets hit?a neighbor, bystanders or even your wife/family? Is that worth it for $300-1000 rims? Or stock rims which are cheaper.
Sell one of your guns and get full coverage and sleep soundly not worrying about your precious rims.

Glad i live in Canada. I live in a small town and dont worry bout gangs and thieves and i STILL have full coverage.

Meh, your from Canada your opinion doesn't count. Don't you have something to go be sorry for?

I live in a suburb 20 miles outside of the edge of Houston it's the 4th largest city in the U.S. So there is going to be crime we just handle things differently. Only in Canada have I ever seen someone freak out over a simple pocket knife. On top of that you know nothing about firearms, their function, or how things actually go down. I on the other hand have competed in IDPA, Silhouette, Bullseye, benchrest and long range competitions, and have a concealed handgun permit. I know how bullets react when they impact a variety of materials, I know how and when I can take a shot. I am not likely to fire on someone but don't get me crossed I will protect what little I have. Something you haven't even considered is that I value my hearing very highly and if I was to have to shoot someone it is likely that I would suffer serious hearing damage. They're are a million scenarios that could happen and the most likely would be me completely sleeping through someone stealing my wife's rims, which I have full coverage on, it's still a thousand US Dollars I don't have to just drop on someone stealing my property. Now the U.S. Dollar and Canadian dollar aren't as far apart as they used to be but its still a buttload of your colorful ass money. Still I would not have an issue with putting some hot lead in a no good thief, and I'm not going to apologize to someone for taking my car at gunpoint. Man we are just on opposite ends of the earth. You have your opinion and I have my rights and no one will take that from me.

Jeff

**J57ltr** · 07-14-2015

Originally Posted by Grimsin

I use to be a landlord for apartments building. 90 units all together in a shady are. If it was kids/teenagers i could scare them to stay untill the cops came just be using my angry voice lol.
if it was adults i stayed inside called the cops and let them do their job.

The cops? The cops? Are you serious, you think they just magically show up in the nick of time. No the time to call the cops is to come take care of the situation after it has happened. I had a situation when I was about 23 years old my neighbor came pounding on the door at a little after midnight to say someone was hooking up my car and trying to pull it off. The car was paid for years ago and I bought it from my dad. I picked up my .357 (first pistol I ever bought) and headed out I told the tow truck guy to drop my car and he jumped into the cab and started to try to drag my car off I ran in front and fired 3 rounds the first went through the radiator, the second hit the air cleaner and stuck ended up lodged in the dashboard the third hit the distributor and just destroyed it and killed the truck dead I came around and ordered him out of the truck he was yelling he had repo orders and this and that. I held him until the cops showed up and when they pulled up I sat my pistol down and raised my hands. I was ordered to the ground and cuffed, put into the back of the squad car. The cop went to the driver and asked him what happened after watching from the car the cop started yelling at the guy. Another cop opened the door and asked me what happened and I said the guy was stealing my car, he shut the door and went to talk to the other cop. The whole thing turned out the guy never even checked my VIN because I had an envelope on the dash, and no front plate, and he didn't look at the rear plate either. The car he was looking for was on the other side of the complex. The only reason I didn't shoot the guy directly was because if I had missed it would have passed through the windows and into another housing area. I wasn't shooting to disable the truck I just got lucky and so did that driver. The cop unloaded my pistol handed me the bullets and pistol and released me. The tow company sent me a stern letter about paying for damages and I had a lawyer draw up a letter that stated what had happened and that I would counter sue for mental anguish and compensation for my hearing loss. My ears rung for days after that. I hope to never have anything like that happen ever again. That still cost me less than if they had towed the car and I had to deal with getting the car out of the storage lot, missed time at work, and trying to sue to get my money back. It shook me up for a long time with all the what if's and had nightmares for a while. Like I said before I don't take it as lightly as you would think.

Jeff

**Scottydoggs** · 07-14-2015

texas,,,,FVCK YEAH!!!

**bandook** · 07-14-2015

Seems like this thread is just a way for some people to wave their prick in the air and say "look at me!! I'm a rootin' tootin' gun slingin' cowboy and I'll shoot ya between the eyes with my 432 grain fmj hollow point armor piercing grenade launcher if you so much as bump shoulders with me in a busy hallway!" Lol. Seriously, if it makes you feel better proving your a badass mofo on a grand Prix forum, more power to ya. I am far from a pacifist, but I also value human life, apparently more than most here. A true badass doesn't need to prove the size of his testicles to an internet audience, that's a fact.

And I think anyone with an IQ more than the cylinders in his car would simply state that each situation should be evaluated in light of its own circumstances and a proper course of action be determined at that time. No two situations are the same. All I see here is...if someone steals from you-shoot them in the head. Doesn't matter if you are certified in every gun slinging way conceivable, boom headshot is not the only answer to crime, nor should it be condoned by mature citizens of a country that is slowly losing their freedom to bear arms. Rants like this is what the liberals thrive on as our 2nd amendment rights are taken from us.

I'll step out now and let the cowboys call me a puss because I allow intelligence to dictate what my finger trigger does, not my ball sack. The floor is yours.

**coolone** · 07-14-2015

Originally Posted by Grimsin

I would call the cops. Thats it

99% of ppl who are thieves are not murderers. And dont break into houses that are obviously occupied they wait for no one to be home

Ppl either steal or kill. They dont have the intention to both. Let the cops deal with it and insurance buy your things back.

You sir are real confused, and I pray you never experience a violent encounter, because unfortunately, reality doesn't match with your expectations of what a felon will or won't do. Nobody, especially the assailant, knows what they will do when facing getting caught and arrest with the possibility of jail time. Repeat offenders are even more prone to go to extremes to avoid capture. You discount the reason for being a thief in the first place and I'll assume by your utopian idealism, that thieves only steal because they're hungry. You forget mentally deranged, desperate, drugged out, etc. Rational thinkers need not apply.

It's amusing your thoughts that thieves don't kill... Kinda reminds me of the mother who wanted to sue a patron at a diner who shot and killed her son who was subsequently robbing the diner and customers with a loaded gun and who discharged it as well when confronted. She said he shouldn't have been shot becaus he would hurt nobody, that the customers should've just given him their money and he would've left. People who steal, will steal again, sometimes when their string of successful robbery, theft or whatnot comes to a crashing halt by getting caught, you have no idea how some will respond. Thieves break into occupied homes all the time, and not by mistake.

Wow... I could go on and on. Makes me cringe though, that people think it's ok and benign - being a thief is just a thief. Let's look at it this way, do you think most thieves walk up to people and say hey, could you just hand me over your money cause I need it more? Or do they use a method to overpower a person so they will comply? What do you propose is the reaction then to resistance? Do you think those people who stole the rims were not prepared to react to any resistance? So when they assailant pulls a knife when you don't hand over your money, do you think the assailant will just take the money and leave? Anyways...

I agree with the insurance bit, because that's why I pay for it. I don't agree with passivity!

**J57ltr** · 07-14-2015

Originally Posted by bandook

Seems like this thread is just a way for some people to wave their prick in the air and say "look at me!! I'm a rootin' tootin' gun slingin' cowboy and I'll shoot ya between the eyes with my 432 grain fmj hollow point armor piercing grenade launcher if you so much as bump shoulders with me in a busy hallway!" Lol. Seriously, if it makes you feel better proving your a badass mofo on a grand Prix forum, more power to ya. I am far from a pacifist, but I also value human life, apparently more than most here. A true badass doesn't need to prove the size of his testicles to an internet audience, that's a fact.

And I think anyone with an IQ more than the cylinders in his car would simply state that each situation should be evaluated in light of its own circumstances and a proper course of action be determined at that time. No two situations are the same. All I see here is...if someone steals from you-shoot them in the head. Doesn't matter if you are certified in every gun slinging way conceivable, boom headshot is not the only answer to crime, nor should it be condoned by mature citizens of a country that is slowly losing their freedom to bear arms. Rants like this is what the liberals thrive on as our 2nd amendment rights are taken from us.

I'll step out now and let the cowboys call me a puss because I allow intelligence to dictate what my finger trigger does, not my ball sack. The floor is yours.

Lol, whatever that wasn't to brag it wasn't to say I'm a badass it was to tell a Canadian who obviously doesn't know or ever have to deal with such things that things are different down here we have extremely dangerous gangs like MS-13, Houstone and many others. Other than that one time I have never had and hope to never have to draw a gun again. Guns happen to be one of my hobbies and it is no different than playing darts all of the shooting formats with the exception of IDPA are target based. Head shots are movie crap that is a fact. I don't walk around my house with a pistol strapped to my waist. It's just something that happened to me. I don't want to take a life and have said that until I'm blue in the face. And I have already stated that every situation is different. I really don't feel the need to say anymore on the subject you and I will have to agree to disagree.

Jeff

**stealthee** · 07-14-2015

I've had this same argument with anti-gunners and I will always respond the same way. I would rather have a gun and not need it, than not have one and need one.

**bandook** · 07-14-2015

Originally Posted by J57ltr

Lol, whatever that wasn't to brag it wasn't to say I'm a badass ....

Jeff

Maybe that wasn't to brag, but that's sure how this post came across:

I do have 2 driveway motion sensors and loaded up a 30 round Pmag with M855's and 55 grainers in my 6920 although I'm thinking about setting up my Sub 2K with 35 rounds of 147 grain JHP's a
fter Saturdays outing. I'm going to light them up if I catch them. the neighborhood is good these people come in from outside.

25 yards with pistol center mass and 10 rounds with the Sub for the headshots, I am not playing around.

Yeah, we definitely disagree, that much is obvious. Guess its true that being a middle class white guy has its perks, because if we have trouble in our neighborhood we call the cops and the next night there is a cruiser canvassing the neighborhood. But we also thought about our children's safety when we signed up for a 30 year morgue-age, and chose a neighborhood that was least likely to have these problems, within our budget. If it ever got to the point that I was losing sleep over some car tires, I'd pack up my family and find somewhere else to grow roots. This is America after all, not N. Korea.

**bandook** · 07-14-2015

Originally Posted by stealthee

I've had this same argument with anti-gunners and I will always respond the same way. I would rather have a gun and not need it, than not have one and need one.

Who do you presume in this discussion is anti-gun? I'm certainly not, but I believe being a proponent of the 2nd amendment carries with it the weight of dissuading the endorsement of unnecessary force if the situation doesn't merit it. Like I said, the real anti-gunners just LOVE to characterize patriots as trigger happy idiots. And certain posts in this thread is just fodder to their cause.

**J57ltr** · 07-14-2015

When we had this house built it was one of 2 on this side of the street, we basically were one of the first 50 or so houses in the 175 house neighborhood, we moved in in 06' and there were no sign of problems our neighborhood is patrolled by constables but they don't just sit in our neighborhood unless there doing paperwork or watching the stop signs. We did just as you, we moved into an area with good schools, and good neighbors we don't have issues from the neighborhood it is outside the neighborhood. People come in its a working class neighborhood almost everyone is gone during the day but people do keep an eye out for each other. 3-4 in the morning everyone is asleep. This ring runs all over the city from my area to the most expensive neighborhoods in Katy and Sugarland. I find it funny that you say there is no crime in your area since its featured more than Houston on shows like The First 48 which deals with homicides, along with Cleveland. I'm glad you have the means to just pick up and move, that's good for you.

When I first started this post I was kinda shaking my head like "man only 2 bricks, things are tough all over." And the more I thought about the more pissed I got so I did make the second post,'I guess more to blow off steam. I had taken my sister shooting this weekend and it was a picture she took of my target, I decided to post it, shame on me. I'm still not going to wait on the cops, and thieves know the risk.

Jeff

**wowitsfast** · 07-14-2015

People just need to keep there hands of other peoples stuff. I and I assume most folks on this forum bust there humps to get what they got, to support there families, and try to have enough at the end to have some fun. In my case I have a wife who is able to stay home and care for our children and manage the home. It takes all we got to keep it together. The thought or idea that some jack hole whether he/she is hungry strung out mentally ill or you name it taking what i have busted my butt for pisses me off and yes i will defend my family and my property. Well the grand prix someone can steal that.. it pisses me off more

**aligater** · 07-15-2015

Passive, ya most Canucks are. It's sad, but most cops are self serving and useless. I'm all for protecting your property and letting them know it's gonna hurt. Clowns or thieves, I say club em like a baby seal. He'll a young guy died here few weeks back over a cell phone. As for guns, we got guns. I'm guessing it's probably a 50/50 average only cause those that do have a **** load. We put the targets in the window to let the dumb asses know what kind of owner they dealing with. If they don't encounter any resistance why would they stop? Fight for your rights, protect what is yours.

**Grimsin** · 07-15-2015

Originally Posted by J57ltr

Meh, your from Canada your opinion doesn't count. Don't you have something to go be sorry for?

I live in a suburb 20 miles outside of the edge of Houston it's the 4th largest city in the U.S. So there is going to be crime we just handle things differently. Only in Canada have I ever seen someone freak out over a simple pocket knife. On top of that you know nothing about firearms, their function, or how things actually go down. I on the other hand have competed in IDPA, Silhouette, Bullseye, benchrest and long range competitions, and have a concealed handgun permit. I know how bullets react when they impact a variety of materials, I know how and when I can take a shot. I am not likely to fire on someone but don't get me crossed I will protect what little I have. Something you haven't even considered is that I value my hearing very highly and if I was to have to shoot someone it is likely that I would suffer serious hearing damage. They're are a million scenarios that could happen and the most likely would be me completely sleeping through someone stealing my wife's rims, which I have full coverage on, it's still a thousand US Dollars I don't have to just drop on someone stealing my property. Now the U.S. Dollar and Canadian dollar aren't as far apart as they used to be but its still a buttload of your colorful ass money. Still I would not have an issue with putting some hot lead in a no good thief, and I'm not going to apologize to someone for taking my car at gunpoint. Man we are just on opposite ends of the earth. You have your opinion and I have my rights and no one will take that from me.

Jeff

making fun of me being canadian EH!?, go ahead dont bother me, SORRY if I offended you lol.
american currency is roughly 20% higher then canadian, still only one pay cheque or less for 18'' rims and tires, for me any ways so its not a huge deal, if its a chance of losing my rims/car or anything outside vs my son losing his father or me losing my family ill lets them take w/e they would want eveytime.

now if they would break into my home while my family and I are home that's a different story I would fight back. I have a overly protective king size german shepherd and items around the house for such a occasion, but thats why I moved out of the city of london(300 000 ppl roughly not big by any means) so I wouldn't have to worry about that nearly as much, and if it so happens crime rate was going up in the area I am in now I would move again. my final goal is to build a house in the country somewhere and live in peace and quiet like I did growing up.

but to shoot to kill for items just seems wrong to me, but guess that's my religion, and I wont go into a religion argument.

**bandook** · 07-15-2015

Originally Posted by J57ltr

I find it funny that you say there is no crime in your area since its featured more than Houston on shows like The First 48 which deals with homicides, along with Cleveland.

I find it funny that you find it funny that I said there was no crime in my area. Never said that. Not once. You're not listening.

I'm glad you have the means to just pick up and move, that's good for you.

Wouldn't be easy, wouldn't be fun, but its more important to keep my family safe than stay in some house out of principal. That principal doesn't make sense that one day you can't be there and someone in your family gets hurt because of your own pride.

**J57ltr** · 07-15-2015

Originally Posted by bandook

Guess its true that being a middle class white guy has its perks, because if we have trouble in our neighborhood we call the cops and the next night there is a cruiser canvassing the neighborhood. .

It must be nice to be white and middle class so you can live amongst your on kind I wouldn't know. I live in a very diverse community and we all seem to get along.

Like I said before I started this thread as kind of a joke, but the more I thought about it the more angry I got. I have worked for the same company for a little over 20 years and for someone to steal a mans ashes, a man I looked up to and new for a short 5 years before he passed away, from his widow it just fVcked up. There is no other way to say it.

As far as moving I already live well outside the Houston in another city, should I just move and abandon my house. You have no idea what my situation is, you have no idea how difficult it would be for us to uproot and just move. We actually live in one of the safest areas of the county and it's not like this happens everyday we have lived in this house for 10 years and this is like the 5th occurrence of someone getting their wheels jacked. The only break in we have had was one of my friends house and it turned out to be his wife's methed out ex-friend and boyfriend and they were caught. As far as my wife, she is far from helpless and is a better shot than most of my friends. I am lucky enough that she is able to stay home and take care of the kids and household, she knows how to take care of herself and if you think she would be a pushover, think again she is the reason we competed in IDPA...

Jeff

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