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    I got in an argument with a guy at the gym this morning. we were discussing the rate of pay for veterans going to school online versus going on campus. I told him if I went to school on campus the VA would pay the veteran almost double in comparison to going to school online. He thought the online only rate was fair because the veteran didn't have to go to school. My point was that the online only rate penalizes veterans who do not live close to a college.
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    Damn I didn't know that the pay was different I figured it be the same and more of a personally choice rather if you went on campus or just did online or a combo of both. Hell it should.. Not everyone is able to go to school on a daily basis with the everyday balance of life.


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    Was he an officer? Sounds like LT logic.

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    officers are over paid they arent the ones getting shot at
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    he told me I expected too much, that I sounded like someone who worked the welfare system. the nearest college to me is 90 miles away. and it is a community college with only 2 year degrees available. if I could go to school on campus, I would, but I can't afford to have pay rent on 2 places at the same time. it really is unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericspecullaas View Post
    officers are over paid they arent the ones getting shot at
    officers are definitely overpaid, but they still get shot at.
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    i smell marshall whining. you are not using the system as intended.

    1. resident aka fulltime going to school on campus is not meant to house a family nor for you to have to pay rent on 2 locations. YOU choose move to where the school is and reap the basic housing allowence OR go to school on line and live where ever you choose WITHOUT BAH benifits. It seems it would make sense for you to move to a college town and collect BAH. BAH with dependents is usually a pretty fat check at a rate above the local renting typically costs.

    2. IF you choose to go use a "remote" or online type classes you are better off to stay in a branch of service and make them pay your tuition. i laughed at people when we were out in washington dc because people were using VA benifits while ON active duty! Ummm on active duty as a national guard soldier the state pays your schooling. save them precious VA resources and expend every other option 1st.

    3rd. Part time as in online is meant to assume that individual would also be working therefore NOT fulltime student.

    4th. I could argue for days why i think the National Guard gets their cake and eats it too. LOL you couldnt pay me enough to be active duty. micro managed too much when i get not only federal benifits for schooling but STATE benifits plus VA benifits because ive been deployed 5 times....
    Ohh and I cant forget to rub it in the National Guard pays off a MUTA pay rate meaning as an e6 i pocket over 500 bucks for 3 days of work. by comparison if using that same rate 500÷3=166.66 a day for a Gurd drill weekend. Now take 166.66x15 (normal 2 week pay period for active duty)=2500 i promise you i dont make 2500 while on actuve duty in the states after taxes. including bah and all the other crap added in deployed i make over that but not stateside without the BAH.

    Anyways i could go on for days why the Guard pays better provides better benifits and has less people in your ass micro managing me.

    Seems to me you need to reevaluate your living situation if you wish to maximize the military benefits.....
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    I'm well aware of the benefits of being in the National Guard. The problem is that veterans that don't live near colleges are penalized for not having the option to attend on campus. When getting VA healthcare, in many cases when a veteran doesn't live near a VA medical facility, the veteran has the option to get the healthcare locally. Veterans are not forced to move closer to a VA medical facility to receive the benefits, why should education benefits be any different? Attending school online does not mean I am attending part time, I am a full-time student. If I was part-time, there would be even less pay. I am comparing full time attendance online to on campus. having tuition paid is not the issue, the VA will pay tuition completely depending on what program is used. Bah is not an even standard. A person has to live somewhere, so why penalize people who do not live near a campus.
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    point is if you lived where the school was and get fulltime benifits you wouldnt have to worry about rent on 2 locations.

    are you comparing VA appointments to VA school benifits lol......

    BAH. the way it is set up makes complete sense should a single not married soldier get the same rate as a married one with children?

    im having a hard time understanding the issue here because you are not using the benifits as intended and are concerned about the cost of rent at 2 locations.

    if you are concerned about bills again MOVING to a campus town is the best option period ive done it. after my wife and i had our 1st boy i enrolled in schooling fulltime at University of North Dakota simply to put a roof over our heads while she wasnt working and start using my VA benifits and collecting BAH for housing. Without the BAH for housing i would have been in a cardboard box with my wife and newborn because we couldnt all live off 1 income. (well could have gone the welfare route i guess but its really hard to get benifits if your in the military. trust me we tried food asistance when she was on maternity and i was the only one working and going to school.)

    Once she started working again i changed it to federal tuition assistance the Guard paid because we were then both working and i wanted to save the VA benifits.

    Basically it would be really hard to not work and go to school even using benifits. Even more so with dependents.

    Id have to agree here with that LT lol. you cannot expect fulltime benifits when going to school online. those classes dont take up the time sitting in a resident class does there for you should have more time to work to offset the pay gap you seem to be struggling about.

    MOVE and collect BAH or work and go online.
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    my point is that a veteran shouldn't be forced to move in order to receive the same benefit available to a veteran who lives near a college campus. the system the VA uses for education benefits shouldn't put veterans who live away from a college campus at a disadvantage. Full time benefits should be the same across the board regardless of attendance of college on campus or online.
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    lol so what is the issue here BAH? because you are being paid tuition from the VA correct?

    im really not grasping how you claim its a disadvantage.
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    the national average VA BAH rate is 1200, and when attending college on campus the cost of living in that area determines how much the BAH award is. When attending college online only, the BAH award is 60% of the national average, which is about 720 dollars. the disadvantage is the difference between the two amounts. I am using Chapter 31 Vocational Rehabilitation benefits and so my tuition is paid completely, similar to the post 9/11 gi bill.
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    so youre saying wyoming is lower than national average.

    cant say im shocked.

    have i mentioned you should move.....

    or have i mentioned you should go to school online AND work to offset the difference.

    the problem is not the VA benefits its where YOU live.....

    this is a 480 dollar difference pretty sure a part time would cover that spread...... just saying.

    wait a minute you are comparing the NATIONAL average.

    ok so if you get 60% at 720 then what is fulltime student getting where you live? my guess being in Wyoming they would get BELOW the national average making your spread even less than a 480 dollar difference.

    im not seeing any plus side to Wyoming LOL.
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    the BAH rate for the area I live in is like 1280, and anyone living in Kemmerer would get the 720 for attendance to an online school unless they commuted to a college, which the closest one is 90 miles away.

    Wyoming has not income tax, so that by itself is a huge reason to live in Wyoming.
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    Well then with all that no income tax money you should be rolling in dough and this BAH defict should be no big deal the rest of us poor bastards pay taxes......

    LOL.
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