Thread: Car seems slow in second gear..vids....and an update...sort of.

Ok so Brandon and I have been talkin and I kept tellin him my car seems slower than other GTP's. We both took vids to compare and both agree that my car seems slower in second but pulls the same in first gear.

Here's my vid. My car is a 97 and is bone stock down to the paper air filter with 130K. Regular maintenace has been done and I did a pan drop about 10K ago. I don't have any codes etc etc.




Brandon's vid. He has an 03 at 103K and I believe he's had regular maintenance as well, pan drop too. Has an intake but that's it.



Just looking for other's opinions.
Oh and eff you photobucket for reducing the video quality.

Something to take note of is before I did my pan drop I had the sloppy second gear shift. I can still make it do it if I time it right but it doesn't do it on it's own anymore. I also have the delayed reverse engagement common to the sloppy second gear shift. I've read these are a result of some sleeve or something getting worn and bleeding off pressure. I wonder if this is my problem.

I also broke out a stopwatch and did 45-65 times. Mine tend to be 3.7-3.8 seconds while Brandon's is 3.2-3.3 seconds....roughly half a second quicker

UPDATE/EDIT: Ok so....i've learned that the sloppy second gear shift I have sometimes is also related to the delayed reverse engagement I have. I made a video trying to show this but it's hard to catch it due to not being able to rev very high to really show the lag. I did my best though. Basically I revved to 1500 RPMS and went to reverse. When it drops to 1000 is when it engages. I didn't vary the throttle AT ALL. It was reverse engaging that caused the RPMS to drop.
So here's the video...also ignore when I said "im gonna go straight to netural" or something to that effect..i meant reverse lol.



And if you're Clean
c5cc7a55.mp4 video by 4THGENCAMAROFAN - Photobucket

Now for some more blabbing. I read on wbodystore.com that the sloppy second gear and delayed reverse gear are a result of the boost valve wearing away at the boost sleeve in the trans causing pressure to bleed off thus causing the stumbling and delayed engagement of the gears...linky..

W Body Store

Now for my question...has anybody tried that fix? I may try that in conjunction with a shift kit to see if this will fix my problem. Looking for opinions here as well as personal experience with the boost valve and sleeve kit that wbodystore sells. Not too worried about shift kits ATM but i'll get there.

Originally Posted by cleangtp

Dang videos no worky for me wth.....

might try holding CTRL+ALT as you click on the vid. had to do that here at the school house to get em to open

Videos work fine for me clean.

I'd also just like to point out that it seems like Brandon's shifts at a little bit higher RPM. At leat it looks like it to me.

Originally Posted by 4THGENCAMAROFAN

I'd also just like to point out that it seems like Brandon's shifts at a little bit higher RPM. At leat it looks like it to me.

did you give it WOT this go round??

and just throwing this out there. does it matter that I was about 5mph higher than austin at the time of WOT?

Yes I went WOT in that run. WOT with perf shift on.

well idk bruh. after all you do bench press double my weight. so my car might have slight weight reduction? lolz.

and it is a 97...it's weird.

Originally Posted by brandonl2000

well idk bruh. after all you do bench press double my weight. so my car might have slight weight reduction? lolz.

and it is a 97...it's weird.

I wish I could bench double your weight..but anywho..quit pickin on meh damn 97...i like purple. 97 was the only year for purple!!!!

Originally Posted by matt5112

awd :: 0704012346.mp4 video by matt5112 - Photobucket

Tad faster... Still slow though.

umm. "tad faster" doesn't cut it. you rockin and rollin there haulin all kinda ass!

Originally Posted by matt5112

Agreed.

Torque has that effect.



Third is a brick wall? haha.

Also, what'd you run on that setup?

.
Stock Valvetrain FTL!!! lol 13.8 was my best But usually I was on the 14 sec end 14.02 14.01 on the 3.6 setup. That was before the wideband aswell and the fueling got pretty heafty in 3rd aswell thanks to the adders lol

4 th in your vid the car seems to short shift a bit, where brandons seems to really have the grunt sound of digging into the trans harder, and shifting a bit later.

the way brandons sounds is why i like GM cars better than ford or Chrysler, they seem to just drive when going wot,(they lack a good kick down it seems to me) where a GM cars have that digging into the trans grunt that you can feel.

brandon, are you running a open cone? your sc sounds a lot louder than 4 th's.

Originally Posted by 4THGENCAMAROFAN

I'd also just like to point out that it seems like Brandon's shifts at a little bit higher RPM. At leat it looks like it to me.

Originally Posted by scottydoggs

4 th in your vid the car seems to short shift a bit, where brandons seems to really have the grunt sound of digging into the trans harder, and shifting a bit later.


brandon, are you running a open cone? your sc sounds a lot louder than 4 th's.

I was thinking the same thing. Brandon has an open cone i believe. I know it's not a factory intake but I don't know what it consists of.