Well looks like I'm missing work tomorrow and bringing it to a shop. I tried to heat it with the torch but the manifold didn't even get red or anything (I didn't expect it to as its designed to take the heat), the bolt turned really red. I was so close to saying **** it and just melting the bolt but instead of maybe ruining it beyond repair I decided to take it to shop and let the pros fix it. I have three places and left messages, tomorrow morning I'll get up and call them again and see what one I can get into first. yeah at idle are cars sound decent with no exhaust. any gas and it sounds like hell ha ha ha ha., never knew how big the resonator was for are cars either. I kind of want to pull it off and put in a smaller glass pack or something.