thanks for all the info. and i've been looking into headers for a while and have seen all the complaints about the leak at the Y pipe. as far as i know the zzp package fixes it? i know its a much tighter fit with it. anyone know from experience? from what zzp says if you pay 42 bucks you get a better y pipe and gaskets. and i was hoping that it was easiest from the top. my manual i bought said to go from underneath and you gotta take a bunch of crap off. so im glad its reachable by pulling the motor forward.