Thread: Cool Down to Power Up ?

Originally Posted by Murph9491

dude im not here to argue with our styles of cars , i own a pontiac , i dont run my mouth about ur car so relax , i love my car , i wanted the lambos , i got them , i take just as much pride in my car as u do in urs so anyways , yes 8's 9's quarter mile , twin turbos , yes , i know what im saying

and i like to get everything at once but as uve said thats not the way to go ?

We don't mean to be rude (maybe we do?) but a 9 second gtp it an extremely difficult goal to reach. I am willing to bet money that at this point and time you cannot fathom the amount of work it would take just to get into the mid 10's let along the 9's or 8's.

Intense racing, who's employees SPECIALIZE in 3800 series engines were only able to make a 10 sec turbo setup, (i think it may have hit high 9's.) The World Record for a 3800 engine is by ZZP, a mid 8 seconds (and i have never seen a vid for this one).

I am not saying your goal is impossible, i am saying if you plan on taking some part in the build then stick around here for a while and learn a thing or two about the internals of a 3800 engine.

With that said, step one, buy a tuner and learn how to use it or find someone who can tune. A stock gtp can drop up to .8 seconds in the 1/4 mile with a good tune (or so someone has claimed).

I said it. 20 grand. That is what you need to run 9's. I ain't talking smack about your lambo doors or tribal graphics. I could care less. You asked what it took I told you.

Originally Posted by Murph9491

DNA Prodigy , tht rude thing wasnt directed towards u as u can c

No problem, here to help.

Originally Posted by 00gpgtp

i dont think everyone should start ****tin on the guy cuz people here arent willing/ capable to get a gp to 9's. if thats what the guy wants to do then let him do it. no reason to assume he doesnt have the $20k to put into it if he wanted.

that being said, you have A LOT of work ahead of you if you really want to reach that goal. not only getting stuff for the build itself but plan on breaking ****, whether it be in the engine or trans, which is something you need to take into consideration before deciding to push your car right to the edge. imo this isnt the platform to go with to go that fast.

When people (the op) appear to be pretending to know more then they actually do, others (long time GPF members) feel a bit insulted. Sort of like when my friend tried to convince me a K&N CAI was going to give his Honda 25WHP a few years ago. Its more humble and accepted when people offer their lack of knowlege and then ask for help. So basically no ones trashing on the guy because they "aren't willing/ capable to get a gp to 9's"

In addition you bring up a good point with items breaking, sub 10 second cars taken to the track will frequently damage things both big and small. A great thing to take into consideration.

Originally Posted by Murph9491

well ok ill explain myself again hahha , this 9 seconds stuff (FUTURE)will happen within the next few years , were planning everything out , but as for my current mod list , as seen directly above , these will be current and are experimenting with the car to see what it can and cant do , wanna beef it above stock and start small and not open a huge can of worms right now , seeing as its my daily driver , i think doing electrical and cooling and cam n such can give me a huge improvement above stock but i need some assistance from u tunign vets , bc u guys have experience , i have done alot of reading and have come along way , im converging from appearance mods and shoving performance in ... do u understand ? i want to start on a smaller scale , not my 20-30gs just yet , maybe a couple thous on these mods , so helppp hahha

First off thats the longest sentence i have ever seen

Second off you have the right idea in terms of writing down and planning out what you want to do. Here's a few hints and tips to help you out.

-A progressive build is usually inefficient, the reason being is that people always want to go faster so mods they put on eventually become inefficient and obsolete. ie. put a plog on drop pully no kr, drop pulley again, get kr need headers. The plog is now a paperweight.

-Here's what you need if you want a 10 car:
1) A complete plan of all parts and where ur going to get them.
2) A different Daily Driver.
3) A very reputable shop to do your work OR access to a shop with all of the proper tools.
4) The money you calculate for the build AND some extra.
5) ALLOT of time if your doing it yourself.
6) A tuner and knowledge how to use it well or someone who does. This is key.

-I am planning a 12 car and i have over a page of ideas, and i just started it.

-If however you want to spend under 6k (plus labor) and want a 12 second car then that is much more attainable with your S/C GTP.

-Its impossible for us to tell you what some good beginning steps are(if you plan on transitioning from a stock gtp S/C to a fast GTP S/C to a 10 sec GTP Turbo) I mean yea headers, CAI, cam, electrical, pcm. But ALL of these mods will be useless if you decide to go sub10's and/or turbo.

Where to go next?
Set goals for yourself.
-How much you want to spend?
-What setup you want to use (S/C or Turbo)?
-How fast do you want to go in the 1/4 mile.

but i dont respect the fact that u trash me n my car when u dont even know me , not cool bc i didnt do anything to u , u r like the rest , u just hate on wat u c , its kinda sad , get to know someone then at that point u can hate them but stop judging by wat u c

Originally Posted by Murph9491

but i dont respect the fact that u trash me n my car when u dont even know me , not cool bc i didnt do anything to u , u r like the rest , u just hate on wat u c , its kinda sad , get to know someone then at that point u can hate them but stop judging by wat u c

This is not a text message...help us all out and use at least the slightest ounce of grammatical decency. Reading that makes my head hurt.

DNA Prodigy , tht rude thing wasnt directed towards u as u can c

anyways to my original question .


I have a 2002 GTP Supercharged and i want to start with the performance of elecrical and running the car cooler, ultimately creating more HP , a list of what i think might help and u add or remove things as neccesary.

My List (not positive about all of it)

HD Water Pump
ZZP 10.3mm Plugs
Camshaft ?
1.0 PCM
Alternator Voltage Booster
Fuel Pump Rewire
CAI
Smaller Pulley
Upgraded Alternator

This is what i had in mind , PS (the car is completely stock as of now)

Any Help Is Appreciated Guys

Originally Posted by Murph9491

HD Water Pump - Not sure what pump you're talking about?
ZZP 10.3mm Plugs - Good for longevity, but don't expect a performance increase unless your wires are worn out
Camshaft ? - If you're shooting for 9s, you're going to be running a monster cam by the end, far beyond what you would be able to run right now, so maybe just wait?
1.0 PCM - Waste of money, if you want to get beyond the mid-13s, you're going to want a tuner anyway, so might as well just get one
Alternator Voltage Booster - should be fine
Fuel Pump Rewire - won't help much now, but good for the future
CAI - always good
Smaller Pulley - not without some exhaust work
Upgraded Alternator - unless you're going for a huge sound system, forget it.

Replies in red.

Edit, you mention this is your daily driver, I seriously doubt it's possible to have a 9 sec daily driver out of one of these cars without converting to RWD or something.

well ok ill explain myself again hahha , this 9 seconds stuff (FUTURE)will happen within the next few years , were planning everything out , but as for my current mod list , as seen directly above , these will be current and are experimenting with the car to see what it can and cant do , wanna beef it above stock and start small and not open a huge can of worms right now , seeing as its my daily driver , i think doing electrical and cooling and cam n such can give me a huge improvement above stock but i need some assistance from u tunign vets , bc u guys have experience , i have done alot of reading and have come along way , im converging from appearance mods and shoving performance in ... do u understand ? i want to start on a smaller scale , not my 20-30gs just yet , maybe a couple thous on these mods , so helppp hahha

I see a triple edge performance race tranny in your future if you know what is good for you and your car......

Originally Posted by Liquifire

I see a triple edge performance race tranny in your future if you know what is good for you and your car......

If he's going to be in the 9s, he'd better know how to do his own tranny work, since the clutches are going to need to be replaced regularly.

Originally Posted by BoostedComp

well i figured out why his car will do 9's... check the video its a spaceship!
http://video.cardomain.com/VideoPlayer.aspx?id=690976

WOW iv def seen this vid before. and commented on another thread "this isn't a Pontiac its a Ferris Wheel".

To each his own. I had a HAI, hollowed out cat, rims, W rated wheeles and a flowmaster muffler on my 1994 Chevy Lumina Euro. (~112WHP). I remember thinking with my mods i was like 160 HP. Yea i was 17.