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    What you are experiencing sounds normal to me.

    We must review several key properties of water to understand what is happening here:

    1) water expands when temperature rises. If you run the engine with the pressure cap off, the temperature of the water will rise, and the water will expand, if you shut the engine off, the water flow in the radiator stops, and heat transfer to the air is halted, the water will instantly start to expand in proportion to the amount of heat that was put into the water by the engine.

    2) The the hoses will feel hard when the pressure cap is installed and the engine is run to operating temperature, the cooling system is designed to hold pressure to about 16psi.

    3) Water boils at 212 F @ sea level, and will boil at a lower temp. as altitude increases (lower atmosphere pressure). The pressurized cooling system raises the boiling point
    of the engine coolant, this allows the water to remove more heat from the engine. The higher the pressure rating of the cooling system, the higher the water temperature before it boils.

    Typical operating temperature of the cooling system in the 3800 is around 180-230 F, the preferred temperature is around 200-215 F. Anything over 230 would be considered hot, but as long as
    pressure and coolant have not been lost due to hose rupture hose or other scenario, it's not overheated. Loosing pressure and coolant at temperature are what can cause damage.

    On one occasion I have reached 240 F in my car, I was trapped in stopped traffic on I77 in Charlotte NC. It was a HOT afternoon day. The coolant temp went down when traffic finally started moving again, the car handled it with no problems.

    If your really worried about a blown head gasket, watch for water in the oil, and/or get the coolant checked for combustion gases.
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    Hey man thanks for the reply and all the information about water expanding and stuff ..
    Something is definitely off with my car though. Or I put way too much water in trying to do the flush. But I didn't use more than I got out originally, like 1.5 gal or so...
    So yesterday is when I heard those awful noises when I shut the engine off after running for only like 25min, to try and get a good flush in and then it overflowed like crazy. After talking to my buddy he thought it was because my thermostat was out. It made sense at the time, so today I went to test the theory and put thermostat back in, and still had the same issue. Even gave what I thought was a good system bleed. Put my radiator cap back on and let idle for a while, and just kept seeing tons and tons of bubbles in my reservoir. Turned heat on and they seemed to subside for a min, but then came back just as bad. Car was at middle temp so operating I think, didn't go much above that which is what confuses me. I thought a bad head gasket would surely overheat? I seriously hope it's not a head gasket. Plan to order that block test kit now and see what that says I guess..

    Any ideas why it's overflowing like this? Could I have a block somewhere in the system or bad water pump? Possible lower intake manifold gasket?
    The oil looks clean, so I don't believe I have coolant in my oil...but the coolant might be getting oil in it I guess? This is just got me so stressed because I never had this issue before I started flushing it. Was running good with no overflowing.
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