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  1. #1 Problem with O2 sensor not reading. 
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    Alright guys...I've worn myself completely slick on a project that I've been on for the last month.

    I've got an 02 GTP in my garage that's been there for the last two months. A little back story here.
    A local GM Dealer put too light weigh of an oil in it, probably going to guess it was the new Dexos 0W-30 in it, and it spun a bearing.
    We ended up doing a top swap on it, simply because a decent mile L67 is well north of $1500 here. Everything goes great, cammed it, upgraded the valve train, and put SD headers on.
    Before the engine went, it was at the same dealer for losing power....They had it a few days, and supposedly did a ton of wire tracing on this thing, gave it back to him, and it hasn't been right since. Now, keep this in mind.
    Since we put the SD headers on this car, we had to do the shorter O2 mod for a Corvette to clear the floor pan. After we get everything all buttoned up, we go and take the car out for a test, and things seem just fine. I toss in the tuner to start dialing in everything so that it's all happy, and notice one thing is wrong. The O2 readout is flat....no signal at all. HPT shows it sitting at 457mv, and that's where it stays, all the time. Naturally, I think that the sensor is bad. WRONG. I hook up the stock sensor and it does the same thing. So, what do you do to see if you have 2 bad sensors maybe? You put it on a bench vice, hook up a meter too it, and light it up with a torch...SURPRISE that it's working after a few seconds. I won't really go into detail, but it was cool to learn how to test them out.
    So then I go to inspect the wiring because it's not the sensor, and I start peeling back the loom....probably 6-8 wires were completely burned up. Gotta be the harness, right? Well.......Nick finally finds a harness for this thing, it's apparently out of a 2000 GTP, and even though it's far from "perfect" like the guy stated, it'll work. I spent the entire day yesterday in the garage, pulling wire, and cutting and soldering connectors to make sure everything was supposed to be where it was. Fire it up after triple checking everything....and I'm right back to where I was. O2 sensor is still flat.

    am I missing here?

    The TL;DR version
    1 Car had wiring issues
    2 Car won't read O2
    3 replaced O2 sensor, Replaced Engine Harness, Replaced PCM
    4 Car still doesn't read O2, back to square one.

    A last note, I have also went as far as to hook the sensor up to my car, key on, and monitor the O2 read out while I heat the same sensor with a torch, and it works. Doing the same thing on this car, won't work.

    What are the chances that I've got another crap harness that's keeping this all from working?

    Be gentle, I'm not a wiring guru at all.
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    I would use a multimeter on the harness and test the output of the sensor while it is on the car. Then at least you might be able to track it down a little more.


    I had a very similar issue once when tuning a car. Guy had just swapped over to 60# injectors, we go out for a drive after I change the tables, and there is no LTFT or O2 reading. Cant figure out what was wrong. Long story short it was a vacuum leak due to one of the injectors not being seated all the way in. Not saying that is for sure your issue. Just something you can check.
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    0W20 or 0W30 won't make it spin a bearing, but thats not what the thread it about.

    Maybe the computer is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fivefingerdeathpunch View Post
    0W20 or 0W30 won't make it spin a bearing, but thats not what the thread it about.

    Maybe the computer is bad.
    We already replaced the PCM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fivefingerdeathpunch View Post
    0W20 or 0W30 won't make it spin a bearing, but thats not what the thread it about.

    Maybe the computer is bad.
    Right, not what the thread is about.
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    going way out on a limb here, you checked fuse # 21?

    did you change the fuse box as well? that ING fuse is what powers the maf and the o2. maybe the fuse box is bonked up? or the wires inside it? we've sen the fuse boxes get hot and catch fire before, maybe this is the start of it all going bad?

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    I checked every single fuse. They all are good. I changed relays, etc.
    The MAF and the TPS are also reading fine, and being that they are on the same circuit, I never really gave the fuses another thought. But I did anyway.
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    whats a meter read at the O2 conn? get some T pins and backprobe ****., after backprobing also double check PID and see if its restored. plenty of times ive come across weak tension terminals
    get some old pins out of the old harness to use to "test" em for proper resistance

    ive just been seeing it a lot lately, it'd be worth it to backprobe at the pcm carefully but I have had very few issues with the pcm connectors if no one has jammed any probes in instead of a small diameter T pin as an intermediary.
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    Any idea off the top of your head what pins on the pcm reference the high and low signal? I know that the heater and ground work, definitely hot to the touch after you key on.
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    I'd start out like mentioned.

    Check power/ground at connector and back up from there. 00 and 02 should be the same harness, fuses being good should be good. Likely you haven't gotten enough drive cycles to set codes, so that is out for help. When you had crispy wires..something should have popped a fuse somewhere.
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