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  1. #1 New frictions and steels melted 
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    I posted a week ago. My trans sounded like it blew up on the highway. I lost reverse. And I barely had forward if I pushed the throttle all the way down. Anyone know why this would happen? Or if there is a bigger problem? I replaced these at the end of this winter. So they are less then a year old.


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    Not sure on the shredding, that would seem to say something was in contact with it.

    On the heat, I wonder if your seals were bad on 4th which allowed slippage and heat. That's brutal though.
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    With Bill on this one.....Install error could have also been a factor if everything wasn't oriented properly when you tightened up the channel plate. Did you put the correct selective washer that goes between input/3rd drum and 4th clutch housing to properly set the drivers side end play? Heat tolerance in 4th is non existent.
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    Let me check. The frictions are seized to the steels. The order they go onto the 4th hub is the thicker steel,friction, steel, friction and then steel right?
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    When I replaced the 4th clutch a while ago it was messed up.
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    This is the current one.. It looks a little chewed up and it feels a little thin.
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    That's not the selective washer that sets the drivers side end play.

    I'd be replacing 4th hub and everything that goes along with it. Shoot me a pm I have one pulled out of a trans right now that was about to be recycled (Billboost style). Cover shipping and it's yours.
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    I replaced the 4th clutch hub. 4th steels frictions and apply plate, input clutch, and the input sun gear
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    A little update. I went a little further in. When I went to pull out the input sun gear it wouldn't come out. It's stuck in the reaction carrier. And the weird thing is that the 2 parts as a whole "because there stuck together" won't slide off of the output shaft. So I can't take any more out.....

    Any ideas?
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    I'd agree something must have assembled incorrectly. It's easy enough to do.

    Output shaft should be pulled before anything else.. pop that baby and see if the other stuff comes out. IIRC you said there was a bang and nothing more. Bang could be something that is now wedging it all together.
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    Have you removed the c-clip off of the output shaft that you're trying to remove?
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    Unless it's a 97.. it doesn't have a c clip.

    it would have a compression clip.
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    It's a 2000it has a compression clip. Every other time Ive had my trans apart I didn't have to take out the output shaft to remove everything.. I'm pretty sure everything went together cause I had a blown up view of the trans

    And the reverse band was not in correct position as well so that's why I didn't have reverse. What ever happend cause the band to move and got the sun gear stuck
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    When the band is out of whack, it's a serious pain to get those pieces out. Been there.. seen that.. pulled the pieces apart.
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    Update: the sun gear was stuck in the whole carrier assembly. And the 2 parts of the carrier assembly are still stuck together. That's why the 4th clutch is fried.
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    But...why?
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    Because I think I'm missing this. What does it go between
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    Maybe:



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    between the thingee and that other thingee
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    Found 2 new things when I was going to put everything back together.... Fml. I found these deep burn marks on the back (inside) of the channel plate. I also had the pump shaft in the pump and I went to hand turn it and it gets pretty hard at a certain point. Maybe a bad pump could be the cause of the frictions and steels melting. Any ideas?



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