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    Quote Originally Posted by BillBoost37 View Post
    Starting to wonder here...

    swapped crank sensor, no change
    Swapped ICM and coils, no change
    swapped pcm, no change
    swapped trans, no change
    ran with maf unhooked, no change (maybe slightly more pissy, tough call)

    Looks like I have map, cam and tps sensors left.

    I told the car if it kept this crap up...I was going to disassemble it.
    Hi Bill,

    I hope you've been doing well other than your car. Figure I could add a few thoughts. When you say hiccup, could you describe the symtom a little more? As you may know, sensors can sometimes get skewed and the PCM wouldn't detect a problem (set a code) unless they really got way off. For sensors that failed internally through an open or short will usually bring on the CEL. Even a broken or shorted wire would bring on the CEL. That's why I mentioned about a sensor being skewed and not possibly setting off the light.

    For all of the sensors that you mentioned for cases where the PCM may not detect a problem, I connect a 4 channel Picoscope to it and confirms them one way or the other. Scan tools or not the best for looking at raw data from a sensor since the values are read from the PCM. And the scan tool is usually too slow to pick up intermittent problems from a sensor. The scan tool could read values between a fault condition.

    If you don't have a scope, the next best thing is to use a voltmeter with a min/max feature which could capture dropouts such as from the TPS. The MAP sensor could also be checked this way. The MAF sensor puts out a variable frequency relating to the amount of air being pulled in. Most meters today, at least the midrange ones have a feature which allows you to measure frequency or at least the duty cycle of the waveform. But again, the best method to confirm all of these sensors is with a scope. I hope this gives you a few ideas to help in checking out your vehicle.

    After a little thought, your hiccup sounds like it may be an ignition misfire. Does you scanner have a feature to look at the misfire counters? Maybe a bad plug wire.

    Terry
    Last edited by stuzman; 01-04-2012 at 11:09 PM.
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