I will not be passed by a Japanese Egg

[NR92]

Its funny how he calls the 3.8 "bulletproof"

Foreign cars, especially Japanese ones are of MUCH higher quality than 99% of American cars. Its just a fact.

look at how most of the 3800s on here are treated, you keep up on its LIM gaskets, coolant elbows and UIM and dont drive it like you stole it then you about as close to bulletproof as you can make some rotating as much as 6k plus rpms, when it comes down to it all cars have their issues idk about you but id rather do a LIM gasket job once every 120k miles then do a timing belt and water pump every 60-90k miles, and every jap car company just loves those F@*%ing timing belts and if they let go bend over there's no going to a junk yard and paying $500 for one of those little ****s

when it comes down to it foreign cars tend to have a bit higher quality parts, but is it worth a 10k premium at the dealer? im convinced that alot of those toyotas/hondas running forever are due to simple engine design perfected as well as the people willing to pay that premium price are more likely to perform simple maintenance on the car from day one, makes sense to me

in the end of the day show me a foreign car (non diesel) that has earned this bulletproof name you joke of

[Slowpoke]

in the end of the day show me a foreign car (non diesel) that has earned this bulletproof name you joke of

I'll play.

[stealthee]

in the end of the day show me a foreign car (non diesel) that has earned this bulletproof name you joke of

22RE. They outlast the vehicles they are put in. My dad had a Yota with 318,000 miles on.

GM quality is an oxymoron

[NR92]

22RE. They outlast the vehicles they are put in. My dad had a Yota with 318,000 miles on.

thats because toyotas rust apart like its a competition, here in iowa cars rust out but toyotas are known for having serious frame/rust safety concerns, i mean normal cars rust around wheel wells and rocker panels sometimes even by the fuel door but Jesus Christ i often see yotas from the 80s-90s (same era as that motor) that scare you, there is more rust then paint or even sometimes metal on the body


and well gee cut the weight the 3800 is tugging around in half and de-tune it to 140hp i bet the 3800 would run forever too, i was kinda referring to a motor made this century but no biggie question is if the motor is so great why dont you have one of these in your car, is safety, power, leather, HUD, the ability to enter a highway from an on ramp at speed, as well as over all aesthetics more important, IMHO you get a motor that has no problems running into 250-300k as long as its maintained and not abused, a ton of options, a decent/sporty looking car

on another note, a friend of mines mother had a buick with a series 2 in it with almost 400k miles, never had a major issue and the only reason it was taken off the road was because a hit &run driver rear ended the car so hard it pushed the rear end into the concrete

you should know its not uncommon to see people post here with 300k on there s/c or n/a car, 318k is impressive and all but nothing my motor couldn't do



Edit: a little bit from wiki about the 22r series, apparently they couldn't gt the timing chain right

Toyota swapped the dual row timing chain used in older engines for a single row chain with plastic guides in 1983. This system reduced drag on the engine, but was occasionally problematic. Every 80,000 to 140,000 miles the chain would sometimes stretch to the point that the hydraulic-operated chain tensioner can not take up any more slack. When this happens, the timing chain impacts the driver's side chain guide, breaking the plastic within a few hundred miles of driving and creating a noticeable chattering sound in the front of the engine, especially when cold. If the engine continues to be operated after the guide breaks the chain will stretch rapidly (an unfortunate characteristic of single row chains). The loose chain causes inaccurate ignition timing which usually results in noticeable rough running. In continued operation, the chain can jump a tooth on the drive sprocket or break entirely, with either case resulting in engine damage from valve-piston collisions. Also, the stretched chain will slap against the side of the timing cover due to the broken guide, and can wear through the cover and into the coolant passage behind the water pump. This will cause coolant to drain in to the crankcase / oil pan, possibly causing damage to internal engine components such as the bearings, crankshaft, camshaft as well as damage caused by overheating due to the lack of coolant (since it has drained into the engine oil).

[fisher580]

keep in mind my f150 has the 4.9 six, you know the ford motor that runs with low oil and no coolant lol i seen a honda crack and oil pan and lock up going 75mph, when we stopped it still had some oil left so it goes to show hondas dont hold up as well as they claim