I'd say you're agnostic, then... which can go either way as far as (a)theism's concerned.Originally Posted by twol8uluz
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05-11-2011
I'd say you're agnostic, then... which can go either way as far as (a)theism's concerned.
05-11-2011
I believe in "something" im just not convinced its the same as everyone else. That's all
05-11-2011
Welcome to agnosticism.
05-11-2011
I'm for the most part Agnostic. some days im an atheist. i will never push my beliefs on some one, or judge them for what/ whom they believe in. but thats just me. ill happily sit down with some one and have a discussion and i will make my point while not disqualifying theirs. My brother on the other hand is a full fledged Atheist and will openly call any person of faith a raging moron. but do understand that Atheist are a different type of person, if that person is truly an atheist than they have gone against what they were most likely brought up on. if that person posseses the ability to one day turn around and question an ideal of that magnatude then you shouldnt be surprised that they are willing to call you out on your beliefs. ( sorry i was struggling to find the correct terms in that last bit). take it with a grain of salt knowing that that is just how their minds operate. that is just how "god" made them, if you will.
05-11-2011
Believing or not believing is like a p***s. Dont try to shove it down my throat.
People will believe what they want I just hate people that preach about one or the other to people who already have there own mind made up.
05-11-2011
With religion comes Radical religion. Radical religion is a war machine. Someone that believes it is Gods Will to destroy all opposing religions and non believers is a fuggin party crasher. I believe in toasting beers with the person next to me and waiting to see what happens next.
05-11-2011
Are you referring to a certain religion, or just religions as a whole?
05-11-2011
All religions have their radicals. Religion isnt the problem, the radicalism of their religion is.
05-12-2011
I am sorry, but that doesnt make any sense to me.
That's like saying "Not all terrorists are Muslim, but all Muslims are terrorists."
I definitely agree that religion isnt the problem, but by saying the radicalism of their religion is means that religion is involved, does it not?
Whether or not a religion is right or wrong, I dont think there exists a religion out there that is radical, from the root. It's these crazed, radical people that take these religions, and turn them into their views and whatnot, and in that process do they distort these religions. Does that mean that the religion itself is radical? No, not necessarily.
05-12-2011
I'm glad we lived through those wars carried out in the name of the Buddha.
05-12-2011
The meaning behind my screen name R.I.P. DEATH is christian.
1 corinthians 15:54 - When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”
soooooooo rest in peace death.
05-12-2011
Also agnostic. Something may have created the universewe live in, the consistent mathematical relationship could use some explanation. I however have no respect for Jesus preachers and others who pray to god for the stupidest reason. Example: this season of survivor there is a guy who believes god put him there to win the tournament. Yeah, if god were real, he probably doesn't give a damn about your greedy little requests.
05-12-2011
Thats exactly what Im saying...a religion is not radical in nature, but when radicalists hijack a religion and interpret it their way, it becomes a problem. And when people knock on my door asking to speak to me about God, that kinda pisses me off too.
05-12-2011
How abou someone standing between you and your car when it's -10 and a blizzard out?
05-12-2011
Then I wont punch them in the head.....thats dedication, cuz thats fuggin cold. But I will, however, pretend theyre not there
05-12-2011
Well because my roomate is athiest (like your bro appearently) you have to use logic as a defense for your belief if your ever in a debate (like an actual conversation, not a "penis messuring" contest) which ive had before... we agreed to disagree and that was the end of it. But people like my roomate (and your bro) I can make look like morons with logic but idc about that its the point of the matter ya know?
look up "wesbro baptist church" and you will understand what radical means...
05-12-2011
Ok....don't take this the wrong way, but...now it's my turn to stop you right here. You said you started this thread to vent as a theist. That's fine, but....now I have to vent as an atheist about the above statement, as it is completely incorrect, but used regularly by believers. For starters, atheism is not a "belief" or "faith", but rather a LACK of belief or faith due to a lack of empirical evidence. Theists only make this statement to try to bring the probability of atheists "being right" down to the same level as a completely faith based belief system, but it is completely nonsensical. Saying not believing in any faith is a faith in itself is the equivalent to saying not participating in sports is a sport in itself.
Secondly, it is not the job of the non-believer to disprove your claims (or those of your faith). The burden of proof is always on the person making the positive claim, as you cannot prove a negative. For example, if I told you I'm Christ reincarnate, and you called BS, would it be acceptable for me to tell you to prove that I'm NOT him? Or would the burden of proof be on me to prove that I AM him? If it was up to the nonbeliever to disprove someone elses claim, it would then be your job to prove that the claims of Mohammad, Krishna, Vishnu, etc are all false. It would be our job as nonbelievers in ANY claim of supernatural phenomenon to disprove those claims. The problem with this? Keep in mind that all of the above would be protected under the same "god/the supernatural is not of this world, therefore you cannot use logic to disprove them" clause as the god of YOUR faith. Does this mean you now have to believe in all of the above by default? If not, why not? Simply because the culture/society/ethnicity you were born from/into subscribes to Christianity? This is the only qualifier required to make your current beliefs the ones you elected to have faith in, or be the Truth? Atheism simply says "not only do I not believe in all those same faiths and claims that YOU don't, but I don't believe in yours, either". That is not a belief or faith, nor does it even profess to claim there is no god, which is another huge misconception. It simply means we just don't believe in any of these past or present claims.
The prefix a- simply means without, so:
theism = belief in a deity
a-theism = WITHOUT belief in a deity
gnosticism = claiming to have esoteric knowledge of a deity
a-gnosticism = WITHOUT claiming to have esoteric knowledge of a deity
BTW, this means most people who claim to be agnostic are also atheist. If you do not have a belief in any particular god as outlined in any scriptures, you are atheist by definition, even if you believe there are other forces or "creators" out there. That just makes you a "weak (not derogatory) atheist", or "agnostic atheist", as opposed to someone who claims to know for a fact that there is no god, which would be a "strong" or "gnostic atheist".
....I don't understand the logic to anything you said above at all. The existence of one god or another is automatically accepted by the majority of the members of almost any society. How does someone saying they've decided not to blindly go along with this acceptance somehow back your faith? That is the same as saying those that decided not to blindly accept the FACT (at the time) that the Earth is flat somehow strengthened the fact that the Earth is flat. If the Earth was not flat, why would we feel the need to deny it in the first place?
You see, the problem here is that we as humans have believed in one god or another for so long that we automatically look at the belief in god(s) as the "default" position, when in all reality, it is not. We are not born believers of any particular god, faith or religion. We are TOLD what to believe, and what to believe is usually determined by the culture you are from/born into. Any one who has been a devote Christian their whole lives, had they been born to a predominantly Muslim ethnicity, would be a Muslim today. This is not a matter of opinion, but simple fact. Yet somehow, when someone refuses to automatically subscribe to ANY belief using the same logic and reasons a believer uses to brush off others beliefs, s/he is considered crazy, stupid, on drugs, in need of saving, etc. In other words, something is wrong with them. This is true for people that question ANY readily accepted belief, idea or "truth", regardless of how logically it is done, but it is taken to a whole other level when it comes to theological things because now you're questioning the very foundation of our existence (how we got here, why we're here and what happens to us when we leave here).
Closing thoughts. I've been atheist for a little over a decade now. However, I usually don't discuss it, even while people are talking to me about god this, and pray for that because I know nothing good can come of it. I bite my lip, smile and nod about 95% of the time. I've been at my current job for 15 years come this summer, yet my boss/the owner, who is quite religious, didn't know I was atheist until about 4 or so years ago. Very few of my friends, much less acquaintances are aware of it, either. I just don't feel like getting into a discussion, because it's very hard to explain WHY you don't believe without sounding insulting. When you lay out the logic behind why, it just comes off sounding that way.
SO...imagine my frustration as I have to sit there and listen to my customers babble about how the Muslims are trying to take over, or that they're trying to "take Christ out of Christmas", or handing me a pamphlet and saying "here's a little prayer for you" after I ring them up (for some reason, this has REALLY picked up the last couple months), all while biting my tongue because I know the reaction to "ummm....I don't believe in god" is going to get ugly. The handful of people I've admitted being an atheist to under varying circumstance seem to be fascinated by it, and can't let it go. Not that they're trying to "save" me, but they want to know why. I'll give a few very simple reasons, and end it there, because going into details just isn't going to end well, and I can't go around pissing off customers, even though THEY can preach to ME all they want because....well...they're the customer. And people don't see anything wrong with it because....well....it's GOD, duh! Who doesn't believe in god?
Last edited by RareGMFan; 05-12-2011 at 01:45 AM.
05-12-2011
im atheist but i dont shove my views down ppls throats nor do i hate on ppls religion preferences.
Originally Posted by SuperSport
05-12-2011
It isnt limited to Athiests. I'm a Wiccan. I have been for, oh about 20 years. So I know what I believe and why.
We had a couple jahova's Witnesses show up one morning. i answered the door, and they proceeded with their pitch, with my 2 kids standing in the entry way watching them. Ok, fine, no problem. Then they asked if I attended a church, to which I repsonded "Im Wiccan".
She said, and I quote "We're all Wicked sometime. We are all sinners, and need to find him, is that a life you want for your children?"
I'm all for freedom of religion, but NEVER insult my beliefs in front of my family, at my home! I not so politely told her she could shove her false profit and leave anytime she felt up to moving, and not to return, ever.
I'm all for freedom of religion, but dont show up to my house and pull that kind of crap.
05-12-2011
It feels better knowing im not the only one out there! I've always felt a bit af shame because of how I've felt about it, but I can't go around faking my feelings and beliefs just to fit in with everyone else. But I feel if ppl can openly talk about god and their beliefs etc. ...so should we, in a polite way of course.
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