its the past we cant change it.......get over it
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08-04-2008
its the past we cant change it.......get over it
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08-04-2008
Personally I dont think we should "get over it." Why? Cause it was a terrible thing that happened and no one should ever forget the freedoms we have and for those who have died in wake of our freedoms. Freedom does come at a cost, and a lot of times it is brave men and women in our military and unfortuately innocent civilians, like those in the towers and the brave firefighters, police, EMS and others who risked their lives trying to save others.Originally Posted by GTPJOE90
That is why I have my license plate and I display it proudly so that I will never forget nor that I hope anyone else ever forgets!
Truly we are a blessed nation to have the freedoms to do the things we do. Even for those who post comments about conspriacies and a like. That is what makes our country so great! And no one should ever forget that and NEVER forget those who sacrificed their lives for OUR country!!
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08-04-2008
Very well put.Personally I dont think we should "get over it." Why? Cause it was a terrible thing that happened and no one should ever forget the freedoms we have and for those who have died in wake of our freedoms. Freedom does come at a cost, and a lot of times it is brave men and women in our military and unfortuately innocent civilians, like those in the towers and the brave firefighters, police, EMS and others who risked their lives trying to save others.
That is why I have my license plate and I display it proudly so that I will never forget nor that I hope anyone else ever forgets!
Truly we are a blessed nation to have the freedoms to do the things we do. Even for those who post comments about conspriacies and a like. That is what makes our country so great! And no one should ever forget that and NEVER forget those who sacrificed their lives for OUR country!!
08-04-2008
I agree with you completely Lee. They should run that footage at least monthly and remind people what we faced and what we are dealing with now. At this rate it wont be long we'll have a generations of kids asking "Whats 9/11?" I wonder how many actually remember the first attack?
08-04-2008
I remember it like it was yesturday. I was sitting at a light getting ready to make a left turn onto a navy base to make a delivery when it happened. Couldn't make a cell phone call to my boss to tell him that I got turned away, traffic was worse than usual because everyone was in shock of what had just happened and was getting my truck search on just about every road I turned down. Had to spend 18 months away from my family to go over there and do what I had to do. Do my job everyday along with our other full time military members in this country and alot on this very forum so we can continue to be able to trick out or cars and go to the track, take our loved ones out and have fun and not have to worry if anything is going to happen. I just want to thank all the military that is serving overseas and here in country, police, firefighters, and rescue workers that put their life on the line every day to make this such a great country to live in.
08-05-2008
Well that may be where you have me pegged wrong 'cause I dont just blindly follow what people say. I do check and research and try to learn what I can, I dont just swallow hook, line and sinker what the media or the President has to say.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again. Everyone wants to blame the President and they are the ones that are being led in my opinion as they seem to completely ignore that the fact that congress and the senate were all privy to any intelligence about the run up to the war and the President just doesnt sign document and carry out actions, particularly with regards to any covert or counter intelligence actions. There are others involved but most just shut their eyes to that and instead of saying lets get everyone that was involved, if they feel it is wrong, lets just blame the President.
I hate to see him go, but in a way I will be glad to see him leave office so that the next President can be swore in and let them see that they too have to sign the same documents, make the same tough deciscions and see if they scrutinze them in the same manner or if they get caught up in a popularity movement and everything is just peachy.
08-05-2008
oh here we go.......
I have some popcorn in the microwave...... back in 5...
08-05-2008
LOL dang it Syn!!! Your mega post beat my mega post
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08-05-2008
LOL. I guess its pretty evident I am not a huge conspiracy theorist. While I wont say our government is not capable of conspiracies, to believe one on this scale with so much evidence to the contrary, well I'll just leave it there.
08-05-2008
I remember seeing the raw video footage. You couldn't even begin to convince me that it was a conspiracy of the government, or that it didn't happen.
500,000 tones of concrete and steel pretty much crush anything into dust. Steel weakens when it gets hot. Plain and simple. You don't need to be a mechanical engineer to determine on your own that a building can't withstand a fully loaded jet liner crashing into it without collapsing.
And if you think we're gonna e-thug you and cap you over here from an argument....you've got more things that will worry you in your everyday life.
08-05-2008
Well put.
08-05-2008
I don't agree with everything he says or does, but Bush is okay by me. He does his job. Personally, I wouldn't want it. Each administration has the unfortunate duty to clean up the previous administration's mess. To have to meet the demands of many conflicting sides, I would be forced to stab someone in the head with my letter opener.
What I can't stand, however, are people who don't even vote just making blanket statements like "Bush sucks" or whatever. One of my best friends is like that. She will say something like that and then can't even give an example of something that he has done completely on his own to back it up. Then to top it off, she doesn't even vote.
I don't blame 90% of what is wrong with the country on the politicians. I blame it on the media. I don't even watch the news anymore because each network is owned by some corporation with its own corporate agenda. So, maybe 1% of what is reported is the actual truth. It used to be when they taught news journalism they taught to be objective and to report the facts with an unbiased opinion. Now, you are taught how to make money and to market your story for the highest bidder. For example, ABC is owned by Disney. Disney owns ESPN, Touchstone, Pixar, Miramax, Lifetime, A&E, The History Channel, Biography and forty plus radio stations. So, that very quickly means that little Emily falling into some well chasing a ball is getting on the news and then that gets turned into oh my god the mom wasn't watching her close enough and she should be in jail so let's charge her with whatever we can concoct and then we'll turn her best friend's cousin's wife's dog life story into some made for movie because the dog just happened to be chasing the same damn ball into the well and he is stuck down there, too. And that is just one example. Talk about propaganda.
You know if the general public can formulate bad opinions from not being given all of the correct information, imagine what that guy's job is like. I feel sorry for anyone in his shoes, really.
08-05-2008
I do love a good debate, and this looks like a very heated one. We all seem to be able to voice our opinions very efficiently. and im glad that i am among people who will listen to what i have to say, or at least scan over it, and then without being immature or naive can spit back a very well written, mild manner reply.
"I say Good Day to you as well, its this kind of poisonous talk that gives people the sense that no one can be trusted that that just leads to more people convincing themselves of these ludicrous conspiracies."
- thats how i feel, but i do not feel like it is a "ludicrous conspriracy" when you observe the presentations that put forth a very professional thesis. the problem is that people don't want to relive that terrible day. that most poeple would rather say, what happened happened and thats that.
If we as a nation of regular joes fail to wake up i think there may very well be another World war, or worse, whatever that may be. The people who are making the big decisions in our federal government dont give a f*ck about the people on the other side of the globe who die for a belief in a god. as long as we continue to expand and profit. And i do believe that they (and us too as a result) will "pay" for their "sins". we are living in north america, which once was home to the tribesman who were so brutally slaughtered in the name of economic and political explansion. Whose lifestyles were so in tune with nature, we as "civilized" man regarded it with the most horror.
What decade will mankind realize that life isn't about whoever dies with the most **** wins, and that the materialistic culture we are immersed in when we're born does not equate to a better life? When will thew people stand up and say enough is enough, we have enough ****, and now lets just live by the land? I'll start the bidding at the year 2099 or better yet 3001.
what's wrong with this country in my humble opinion is that there are not enough people who will speak of distrust toward the powers that be, and that the terrible things that happened (not only on 9-11) will forever be regarded as taboo because of the angst and emotion it stirs up. we as a nation will continue to grow but for how long. after all, all great civilizations came to an end.
"The seasons change and things get strange.
Then once and awhile they get rearranged, and it seems insane
Until the day your brain becomes one with the eternal main frame.
Question everything.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
take it or leave it.
Last edited by Dr.Sherman; 08-05-2008 at 07:37 PM.
08-05-2008
Minus the huge run on sentence. If my fifth grade English teacher saw that, he would shoot me.
Hahaha
Sorry. Finally installed my new little rack and bench in the house. With no instructions, which I'm sure would've been in Japanese anyway. Needed to take a little break and log in here...
Hope you guys are having a lovely evening.
Peace.
08-05-2008
yea the innocent men and women on that plane and in the buildings also the firemen and women deffinately didnt diserve that from the stupid towelhead terrorists i hope they are rotting in hell.
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08-05-2008
You can't call them towelheads anymore. They got all pi$$ed off because they say it's a sheet and not a towel. So from now one we have to call them little sheetheads.
08-05-2008
I dont personally have a problem reliving the events if it helps in some way, either preventing such a thing from happening again. Though I do agree with you on the point that there are many who would rather not for the emotions and such it would stir up for them.
As for listening to the presentations, I have done that as well since I first learned of this particular conspiracy theory and I still think it is a very poisonous discussion. I feel the most conspiracy theories are of that nature as most of them are not founded in fact or take snippets of truth and go off on wild tangents and stretch those truths to wildly perverted distortions.
I understand you know nothing about me, but I think anyone that does know me will tell you I have absolutely NO problem telling someone I think they are lying whether you are a friend or a stranger. Ive even been dingged for as much at work a couple of times. I have little respect for such actions under any circumstance.
Ive read about the theories on the use of thermite, Ive read over the mathematical calculations and the free fall theories and so on. And everything I have read counter to the NIST account has been made up of partial facts stretched in unbelievable ways. And I come back to the fact that the number of people that would be needed to carry out the operation you theorize, the logistics, is staggering and I am to believe not one of them had a conscience? That fact ALONE, aside everything else really puts an end to any chance of your conspiracy theory ever seeming factual. To say nothing of the fact that all that alleged thermite and explosives being moved and or used without being noticed or questioned or even uncovered. We're talking scales of which would boggle the mind. Maybe the guy on the grassy noll pulled this one off too, who knows.
The conspiracy theorist also seem to fail to take into account the very design of the twin towers. The twin towers were unique in their design and it seems that gets skipped over as well. The fact they were not built with the traditional web design seems to not be a consideration for some reason with the conspiracy theorists.
Oh well, I could quite literally go on for hours I suppose but I wont at this point. I have other things I need to do.
08-06-2008
Hey reptile..... could I have some of that popcorn?
08-06-2008
Yes, synthetic shield, the twin towers were structurally different than any before. But, as you may recall building seven fell also- it wasn't due to a commercial airliner slamming into it, but rather simply because of fire. The dang thing fell straight down! into it's own footprint. Some may say that is by the grace of god, but if you have ever seen a controlled demolition of a similar building you will see the same characteristics that building 7 shows- crimping in the middle, with burst of (thermite) smoke coming out, and a straight down plummet.
And, to top it off, the policemen were warning people- the buildings about to collapse; move outta the way. before it showed signs of the structural integrity fading.
And NORAD was running a "simulated terrorist attack" on the same day? Claiming they didn't know if the threats were real or part of a drill seems like a lame excuse to not go out and shoot down some planes. Afterall, i would imagine that to be a jet fighter-pilot's wet dream come true.
It seems to me there are way too many coincidences happening on that date.
Even Bush senior made a speach about the coming of the New World Order on that same date a decade before.
How many people would it take to pull off such a grand scheme, with all its alibis carefully worked out, all bases covered, to plant some explosives inside those three buildings- my guess is not very many, especially if it's prolonged over period of time.
Now i understand your argument about conscience, and how you could find it impossble for a group of people to be so lacking of it. Well, if the elite of this country are really so possesed by evil as they are made out to be, i wouldn't find it hard for them to do such a thing without remorse. If they really are the devil's minions I would imagine they'd get quite a kick out of it. As sick as it is.
Why end the discussion now, its just getting good.
08-07-2008
Oh boy!! I get another swing at this
You have to take into account that the building was already weakened by the fall of the towers. Can you imagine the seismic activity at ground zero? I am sure it was quite earth shaking. I don’t dare claim to be an expert on such things, but you have to take into account that the tremors caused by the fall of the towers also added to the structural weakening of the other building.
I said that
Yes I have seen control demos before. And I know what you are talking about here. But when you think about all that weight sitting above the parts of the towers that were basically severed by the planes with their fuel tanks fully loaded with highly flammable jet fuel leaking all down the building's inner structure. It was only a matter or time before those inner supports weakened and gave way thus causing the building to basically fall upon itself.
IF and that is a BIG IF one of the planes merely cut into a section of the building and NOT severing its internal structure, then POSSIBLY the weight of the remaining tower above that break in the building would have caused it to tilt and fall sideways. But pilots were lucky to have struck in the heart of both towers central core. (I hate using the term “lucky” but it was the only word I could come up with.) If you think about it seriously, the plane basically cut the towers into two separate pieces. And the top piece I am sure weighed a TON, and the structure below holding that top up was weakening by the minute cause of the jet fuel melting the internal structure of the tower beneath.
It was only a matter of time before the lower portion became so weak it could no longer hold up the upper part of the tower bearing down on itself. And if you would have watched many of the different shows on those towers were made, they were not your typical construction project. Each floor was basically self contained. Like stacking blocks on top of one another. They were only held together by the outside “fencing” of steel girders that kept the building together. So when the top of the tower finally gave way and fell INTO the lower portion, it just collapsed upon itself like a series of dominos.
And those puffs of smoke you so like to point out are coming from the building falling upon itself. Not from some explosive charge as many theorists like to point out. OF COURSE there is going to be dust and debris exploding outward when you have hundreds and hundreds of tons of steel and concrete crashing in on itself. That is inevitable. To think otherwise, you are just fooling yourself. People will see what they want to see. People said they saw images of Satan or some other ominous creature in one of the smoke clouds after the planes hit the buildings. This smoke/discharge theory runs in the same vain as that.
So now you are saying the NYPD was in on this whole thing? Come on man! That really is truly a STRETCH beyond reason! I am sure the NYPD was thinking…..Yeah let’s get back while the NYFD and the Port Authority run up into the building knowing its about to collapse. That is simply ludicrous!!! If you want to really get people angry over a post? That one quote right there is enough to incense any common thinking person! Almost including me.
I cannot honestly comment on that part. I do not really recall all that stuff that happened that lead to the fighters not being advised to engage enemy targets. I will have to look at that one more closely before I can honestly comment on it.
What President or Dictator or even rock bands have not mentioned or talked about some kind of new world order? IF that was the case, wouldn’t that have happened already? I mean we could have blamed Canada for letting in those terrorists into our country and gone to war with them, and then also blame Mexico for letting their boarders lay open for anyone to cross into the US and then we can go bomb them? Funny how that has not happened yet.
As I have said before in my other post, wouldn’t you think that some reporter or investigative journalist would have uncovered something by now? I mean come on, this was a MASSIVE planning operation. Do you not think someone would have said something or leaked something by now? I think any rationally thinking person would agree with that thought. You look at the way our national media covers all sorts of events and happenings and are able to unearth information that was thought buried forever. Only to be uncovered for all to see what actually happened. Not even our CIA or Dick Chaney could pull off something so massive and coordinated within our own boarders. This attacks and planning took place off US soil. Do you honestly think the US Government or some SUPER SECRET branch of the military thought this up? As I said before, people that fall into this trap, watch to may X Files episodes.
Now if information came out that was proven without a reasonable doubt that our own Government was behind this attack? I would be all for hanging them. I know our Government is capable of doing unthinkable acts at times, but this one is TRULY the most unthinkable ever!! I know IF I was a part of such a grand design as this? I would never be able to sleep again. And eating a bullet would be the only way out of that nightmare! So once again I sincerely doubt that is the case here!
I sincerely doubt there are enough evil minions out there in the US to pull such a feat as we saw that day. I am sure around the US you could find them, but to recruit them and then train them and tell them what they are about to do to their own people is so highly unbelievable.
Last edited by GeddyLee; 08-07-2008 at 02:44 AM.
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