are these cars just crap?

[matt5112]

Who wants chrome anyways?

[midniteblu02]

I have an 02' gtp with 108K on it. I haven't had it on a dyno yet, but with my mods i'm sure that if i'm not already at the 300whp range i will soon be there. An E85 conversion and some ported heads are on the way. I haven't had to replace anything on my car and i'm still driving on the factory trans. It's all in how you treat your car! period.

[Bio248]

youre not even close to 300whp.

[blueguy]

You have meth and a 3.5"...

Your doing it wrong.

[starscream5000]

youre not even close to 300whp.

He meant at the crank

[blueguy]

He meant at the crank

HP means @ the crank...WHP means at the wheels

[Slowpoke]

I have an 02' gtp with 108K on it. I haven't had it on a dyno yet, but with my mods i'm sure that if i'm not already at the 300whp range i will soon be there. An E85 conversion and some ported heads are on the way. I haven't had to replace anything on my car and i'm still driving on the factory trans. It's all in how you treat your car! period.

Do you have a hopes and dreams additive in your fuel?

[midniteblu02]

Ok. I admit that I made a very foolish post. I got bashed but I deserved it. Please understand that i'm not an idiot like I just made myself out to be. I was thinking of crank hp when i made that statement, eventhough that probably still doesn't justify it. I realize that instead of making a false statement based off of no knowledge, I would have been better off just stating what my car was and that I haven't had problems with it yet. So can we call it a day and move on? Oh and just to clarify, the 3.5 was before I had the meth. I just finished installing the kit, car still needs to be tuned for it.

[Slowpoke]

Ok. I admit that I made a very foolish post. I got bashed but I deserved it. Please understand that i'm not an idiot like I just made myself out to be. I was thinking of crank hp when i made that statement, eventhough that probably still doesn't justify it. I realize that instead of making a false statement based off of no knowledge, I would have been better off just stating what my car was and that I haven't had problems with it yet. So can we call it a day and move on? Oh and just to clarify, the 3.5 was before I had the meth. I just finished installing the kit, car still needs to be tuned for it.

Goodness, self reflection like a muhfukr. Typos happen all the time man, it's no big deal.

[donkason]

To offset my negative with a positive this car has remained bearable due to this forum and all the good folks on it. I'm a pretty good wrench but this place has saved me numerous hours of trial and error. THANK YOU!
Buying a used GTP is like marrying a prostitute from Detroit , you know its been used hard before you ever got in the saddle. She's a dirty girl that will take you for a wild ride and leave you hanging when you need her the most.

[Sandman]

Love the car

Only time it's left me stranded on the side of the road is when the tranny blew. Still runs like a champ over a year after the chipped piston.

[Kolourblind]

A crap car riddled with issues? That's a little harsh I think.u bought a used car and I'm willing to bet w/o any maintenance records.sounds like u shuld b driving a new car w/o problems? Um yea let's ask Toyota if they got any that dnt try to kill you! Lol new cars old cars it's all the same,everythings gonna have it's issues,some more then others (dodge+ford lol) but were here cause our love for the gp.I can't imagine the posts on a yoda website! There's lots of "known problems" with the gp..yea well u are asking the question on a website that the ppl on have dissected the car to death,so pretty much all problems the car has are known.lol Trannys go after a hundred thou..sure,window motors that never fail..not likely.the car wasn't rated at 300hp out the box but I'm confident I can make that and still have a reliable daily driver with sum simple mods and precautionary measures.I have an 04 gtp comp g. And i plan on dropping pulley sizes (not drastically) full exhaust and air intake,thermostat,plugs wires coils and a programer shuld keep it reliable and give me that extra 40 ponies I'm lookin for.any suggestions that could help keep my Pontiac reliable that doesn't involve *me buying an Acura? Lol

[dengnath]

I saw this and had to put my 2 cents in. These cars are absolute junk. They look cool. They are fast. Past that it's garbage.

1. Drivers side window switch intermittently working
2. Front Hubs went out at 60k
3. Valve cover leaks lots of oil at 60k
4. E-Brake freezes in cold weather. Had to throw warm water on the caliper for 15 minutes to get to work one day
5. TPMS sticks on every time I turn the key and needs reset
6. Two pulleys went out at 63k
7 RHS front monsoon speaker blew
8. Chrome rims peeling like a sunburn from the inside
9. As of today it needs an o2 sensor at 78k which is understandable, but $ spent
10. Blower motor went out

Basically anything that's not the engine is liable to stop working prematurely and even that will spew oil like a drunk college girl after a bottle of cheap wine. I have 10 problems and I've owned it for almost two years from 52k to 79k

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I know there's more nickel and dime junk I've done though. I'm about ready to sell the thing and keep driving my 96 Tercel with 220k on it. I got it for free at 190k and all I've done is replace a wheel bearing. It is more reliable than my GTP:-( Maybe I'll stuff the 3800 in the Yoter and take the GP's shell to the scrap yard!

This is sad to say because I have been a GM guy my whole life but this type of thing is the reason they wen't bankrupt and other manufactures didn't.

U make no sense.... half the stuff you just said is wrong is on the 3800.... so ud scrap the body.... and use the f**ked up engine?

[nawarkk]

Some people just expect a car and its parts to last forever..

[donkason]

U make no sense.... half the stuff you just said is wrong is on the 3800.... so ud scrap the body.... and use the f**ked up engine?

The only problem with the engine is the valve cover gaskets and pulleys. I actually think these motors are stout and I'll bet a good bit of the tyranny problems are from lack of maintenance.

It just seeks like GM cut corners everywhere they could with this car. The engine has been tried and true.

So yes I would love to shove a blown 3800 in my Tercel and slap the peeling chrome 17s on it to make it hook up and boogie, but I lack $, motivation, and a welder to make it happen.

[Slowpoke]

A crap car riddled with issues? That's a little harsh I think.u bought a used car and I'm willing to bet w/o any maintenance records.sounds like u shuld b driving a new car w/o problems? Um yea let's ask Toyota if they got any that dnt try to kill you! Lol new cars old cars it's all the same,everythings gonna have it's issues,some more then others (dodge+ford lol) but were here cause our love for the gp.I can't imagine the posts on a yoda website! There's lots of "known problems" with the gp..yea well u are asking the question on a website that the ppl on have dissected the car to death,so pretty much all problems the car has are known.lol Trannys go after a hundred thou..sure,window motors that never fail..not likely.the car wasn't rated at 300hp out the box but I'm confident I can make that and still have a reliable daily driver with sum simple mods and precautionary measures.I have an 04 gtp comp g. And i plan on dropping pulley sizes (not drastically) full exhaust and air intake,thermostat,plugs wires coils and a programer shuld keep it reliable and give me that extra 40 ponies I'm lookin for.any suggestions that could help keep my Pontiac reliable that doesn't involve *me buying an Acura? Lol

Had anybody ever told you just how awesome you are?

[Fivefingerdeathpunch]

He is awesome.