Thread: Occupy Wall Street

One word E90 ........

MOVE!

Money IS elsewhere and tech schools dont cost much for application fees. Besides FAFSA is based on income and if your parents can help pay your schooling based on taxes. Id be willing to bet for 1 person stating college as a freshman at even a tech through FAFSA you could prolly get at least 10-15k for grants. Need to try bro thats what it comes down to.

Originally Posted by Pure2sin

We live in a free-market economy.
I am out of this thread. Final time. lol

Awe the WTO. What a joke.

The three basic approaches to trade reform are unilateral, multilateral, and bilateral.

For example:
Suppose, for example, that Japan sells bicycles for fifty dollars, Mexico sells them for sixty dollars, and both face a twenty-dollar U.S. tariff. If tariffs are eliminated on Mexican goods, U.S. consumers will shift their purchases from Japanese to Mexican bicycles. The result is that Americans will purchase from a higher-cost source, and the U.S. government receives no tariff revenue. Consumers save ten dollars per bicycle, but the government loses twenty dollars. Economists have shown that if a country enters such a “trade-diverting” customs union, the cost of this trade diversion may exceed the benefits of increased trade with the other members of the customs union. The net result is that the customs union could make the country worse off.

Although free trade provides overall benefits, removing a trade barrier on a particular good hurts the shareholders and employees of the domestic industry that produces that good. Some of the groups that are hurt by foreign competition wield enough political power to obtain protection against imports. Consequently, barriers to trade continue to exist despite their sizable economic costs. According to the U.S. International Trade Commission, for example, the U.S. gain from removing trade restrictions on textiles and apparel would have been almost twelve billion dollars in 2002 alone. This is a net economic gain after deducting the losses to firms and workers in the domestic industry. Yet, domestic textile producers have been able to persuade Congress to maintain tight restrictions on imports.

The comment about the US and CPUs was in reference to the general comments being made in the rest of this thread. See how misleading general comments can be? Get the point yet?

Silicon Valley does it actually produce the chips from beginning to end from concept to production? The US cannot have total control for the entire process.

Originally Posted by 98GrandPrixIraqVet

One word E90 ........

MOVE!

Money IS elsewhere and tech schools dont cost much for application fees. Besides FAFSA is based on income and if your parents can help pay your schooling based on taxes. Id be willing to bet for 1 person stating college as a freshman at even a tech through FAFSA you could prolly get at least 10-15k for grants. Need to try bro thats what it comes down to.

Well I'm 16 and can't afford to move anywhere. Even after high school it would take me at least two to three years before I could save up enough money to move. I might need a car depending where I live, insurance, registration, a cell phone for contact number, food expenses, utilities, and clothing. I think it would be tough on my own. Plus if I go to school it would be pretty hard to work and go school. As is I work 20-32 hours a week and I'm pretty tired and can't really save much because I have to buy my own stuff. Please help I need more suggestions.

BTW the above post from 98grandprix is considered a "weak ties" He provided information that would not otherwise be known to me within my circle of friends/peers. "Strong ties" would be within my circle of friends. They would have never known about FAFSA, financial aid, or grants. However, need based financial aid rarely covers tuition in its entirety nor does does it account for living expenses. The difference is made up in loans and for someone with no credit, no knowledge of how to build credit, and no co signer it would be next to impossible to get a loan. And if some lender did decide to take the risk the interest rate would be astronomical, likely not a student loan... And I'm not being an ass, I was that kid... So please take this seriously.

This thread is as organized as the protest itself.
With 99% of the people being upset I would think that more would be involved in the protest. Pretty sure the 99% now want the 1% protesting and not saying anything productive or effective other than how bad the world is to them to stop and get to work. No work for them to do? Pretty sure if this is a global issue there is a job somewhere for you.

Because we don't agree we are misinformed?!?!?!? That would make 1/2 the people of every discussion misinformed wouldnt it?

Lol at Occupy Canada...

Organizers have even stated we're not doing too shabby.

Originally Posted by bluegtp91

Moving is always the option when you have no where else to turn and your at a dead end...and plenty of companies will work with you to relocate if they think you have the skills they want.

Moving IS an option, it is all based on how bad you want to succeed.

The problem with America AND the world, is they think everything is going to get handed to them on a silver platter without having to lift a finger.

If you could address some of the points I brought up that would be great, I'm not attacking anyone, I just want to have a rational conversation. Realistically if I were still that 16 year old kid I would not have a computer and wouldn't be on this forum. No cell phone either. Some money in the bank, but not much. Parents obviously not helping. Your example is great in terms of ambition, but what about being the best person I can be and being active member or society in addition to giving back to the community I live in.

Back then I worked really hard and was promoted to assistant manager, but all it ended it up being was a small pay bump for added stress and responsibility. Not worth it. No company is going to hire or relocate someone who has deficient reading and writing skills with a limited eduction.

Originally Posted by Slowpoke

Ever thought about joining the military? Free school, you're going to travel, it's easier to get credit when you are in the military, alot of good things about joining the military . I joined the military when I was 19, initially for the MGIB. I chose my job in the Air Force wisely though, and now I do the same thing in the civilian world and make pretty decent money. I am still using my MGIB for part time classes....just something to think about. You don't have to come from money to be successfull.

That's a fairly reasonable idea. However, I'd probably would have had a felony record and been too illiterate to join. In addition I might have had physical or psychological health issues. I just pulled up some of the stats of those enlisted and less than 1% of those enlisted have a high school degree, most are at least high school graduates. That counts out a lot of poor people.

BTW the above post from 98grandprix is considered a "weak ties" He provided information that would not otherwise be known to me within my circle of friends/peers. "Strong ties" would be within my circle of friends. They would have never known about FAFSA, financial aid, or grants. However, need based financial aid rarely covers tuition in its entirety nor does does it account for living expenses. The difference is made up in loans and for someone with no credit, no knowledge of how to build credit, and no co signer it would be next to impossible to get a loan. And if some lender did decide to take the risk the interest rate would be astronomical, likely not a student loan... And I'm not being an ass, I was that kid... So please take this seriously.[/QUOTE]

Umm really, Interest rates for sutudents are far lower and waayyyy more flexible for students than say a personal, auto, or home loan! Yes I am in the military and guess what Im still entitled to FAFSA just the same as you. Im going to a University (University of North Dakota) and my FAFSA paid for 100% of it and Im getting 3k dispurssed back to me. Which means pretty much 100% of my military benifits Im getting like housing allowence based off zip code goes straight to my pocket, also have VA benifits for books and living expenses. With the job market that sucks balls it would be foolish for me not to be attending school. Go try a little harded son. Benifits are out their getting ahold of the right people is the hard part.

You can't get a student loan without a co signer. If you don't have a co signer you would need excellent credit history and employment history. You would need to prove that you can repay the loan. Interest rates would be higher because loans or lines or credit available to people who don't have a co signer, credit history, or sustained income would likely fall into revolving credit or short term personal loans. FAFSA is not financial aid, it is an application for financial aid. Things like a permanent address are required. In addition what's the likelihood a poor person would receive a quality education? Or be accepted to a selective college or university?

Also read my previous post, how would a poor illiterate person get into the military? The amount of aid you receive not being enlisted is different. Yes, ROTC is an option for some also... But less than 1% don't have a high school degree in the army and this is not because so many people who join have high school degrees, it's because so many people who don't at least have a high school degree can't get in.

15.1% of Americans live below the poverty line. In addition to the fact that the poverty measure is outdated since it use an absolute measure instead of a relative measure like other developed countries. Essentially, this is being conservative the people in poverty should be closer to 20% to 30% that means approximately 1/5 or 1/3 of Americans are actually poor.

Again if I were still that poor 16 year old kid that framed for you guys I would not know that FAFSA existed and may not even have a permanent address to fill out my application.

Also I am not some liberal whack job, the liberals have actually caused a fair amount of problems by ignoring some of the larger more pressing issues that concern real Americans. As Americans we should take care of our own. I want you guys/gals to see that it is actually a structural problem that we face not an individual problem. If the poverty rate were something like .5% than you could easily argue that the .5% are the people that just don't try hard enough, but with a rate of 15.1% on an absolute measure there is a strong correlation that would indicate a structural problem.

I can add more about the structure, but keep in mind that only 20 billion is spent on welfare when the federal budget is 3.7 trillion. Wonder the rest goes... Oh did i forget to mention we are still the wealthiest most powerful country and we still have one of the highest rate of poverty among all of the developed countries. We also have limited to low social and economic mobility. The "golden age", mid 40s to early 70s, higher standard of living and decreased unemployment rate, good wages. But in the 1990s boom things actually got worse for many Americans, so what happen?