Thread: Think Civics are **** ?

Originally Posted by SeanGTP

After all is said and done a built GP is still a GP.
Just saying. Not a civic fan, but I'll appreciate anything built right.

true but id still take a gp over any rice imo

It's all apples to oranges really. 500 dollars here, 2000 dollars there, Everybody knows that your car is what you put into it. Opinions are fine, nobody can fault you for an opinion. You dislike small displacement motors, fine. It's when a person carries their opinion over to ignorance that you start to run into problems. The no replacement for displacement argument is ignorant. The replacement is F/I, car companies, and car enthusiast alike have been replacing displacement for years.

Is it better? Well that's a loaded question, but for allot people, yes, it is better. Especially in these times. All I'm saying is, I hate to see people bash a honda because they feel that the displacement of it's motor makes it an inferior modding platform. Look into how much a b16, or an h22 swap costs. You might be surprised at how easy/cheap it is to mod one of these little hatches. It doesn't take tons of horsepower or torque to get a 1300 pound car down the track at some very respectable times.


EDIT: And if you're a GTP owner, and you're using the no replacement for displacement argument.....You need to read your owners manual. Turns out, you've been replacing displacement this whole time, who'd a guessed.

i have had a couple 4 banger cars a 1990 civic si hatch that was swaped as well as 2 other civics 2 e30 bmws and an old beater toyota corolaa rwd and 2 j bodys, it is true that all car company are using 4 bangers now like the buick regal and hyundai sonata both 4 banger turbo cars its all personal preference

and the cruze. they aren't even performance motors anymore, they just use the turbo for free power. it's about time somebody caught on. R.I.P. LNF

fwiw, even when my truck is running, it's pretty much a turd. just sounds amazing.

Originally Posted by Poil336

and the cruze. they aren't even performance motors anymore, they just use the turbo for free power. it's about time somebody caught on. R.I.P. LNF

fwiw, even when my truck is running, it's pretty much a turd. just sounds amazing.

Idk, it could get interesting... YouTube - ZZP Modified Chevy Cruze on the Dyno

wow


reading comprehension > a lot of you

your replacement for displacement is boost????????? NO! Boost a bigger engine and guess what...... its more powerful than a smaller engine with boost.

and as for the $25k cobalt over the $35k mustang.

I am gonna say that your 10k in mods better go pretty far considering the 2011 mustang lays high 12's and the cobalt lays down mid to low 14's. and even if you were able to make the times I would still take the mustang with its 5 YEAR 60,000 mi warranty and factory emissions equipment over your heavily modded warranty void cobalt!

false. that's why the blown 3.8 in the gtps > 5.0 in older mustangs. it's why turbo civics lay down more horsepower than 5.7L chevys. you take away displacement, you can boost a motor and make the same power.

also false, TC balt runs 13's. zzp has it in the 11's on a stock turbo. you could easily run faster than the 12.7 the mustang does with 10k in your pocket

Originally Posted by Slowpoke

EDIT: And if you're a GTP owner, and you're using the no replacement for displacement argument.....You need to read your owners manual. Turns out, you've been replacing displacement this whole time, who'd a guessed.

Originally Posted by fst4dr

your replacement for displacement is boost????????? NO! Boost a bigger engine and guess what...... its more powerful than a smaller engine with boost.

Displacement is technically infinitely endless so boost on a large engine is just replacement for even more displacement it could have.

Also comparing an out of production car to a new car is kind of silly.
Because if you go back a year to the 2010 Mustang, last year for the Cobalt, it was still a lot slower, it still had the 4.6L and put out only 315hp.

^ agree. but yeah my buddy can easily get in the 10s with a few more little things and raised boost.
thats about his potential. and damn, id be happy in the tens LOL.

Another example of replacement for displacement.
3800 motor, twin turbo.
YouTube - ZZP TTGT 8.84 Pass
8 second runs.

Originally Posted by fst4dr

wow


reading comprehension > a lot of you

your replacement for displacement is boost????????? NO! Boost a bigger engine and guess what...... its more powerful than a smaller engine with boost

Reading comprehension > YOU

Replacement doesn't mean "better". You're comparing a boosted large displacement motor with a boosted small displacement motor. Well sh*t, I guess you got a point there (sarcasm). And you come in here talking about reading comprehension? F/I is a replacement, substitute, used in lieu of displacement. The basis of the argument is that a smaller motor can make up for it's lack of size, by utilizing F/I. Allowing it to close the gap in hp/trq numbers with a larger displacement N/A motor. Nobody here is trying to say a boosted 4 cylinder has more potential then a boosted v8.

If you're going to run up on everybody pounding your chest and insulting our reading comprehension, at least present a valid argument.

Ok I know it wasn't a great comparison (and a bit of a biased one), but the point I was trying to make is that up until a certain point, a 4 cyl car is gonna be faster dollar for dollar. Would I still rather have a larger engine? Sure. Why not? But it's much cheaper to build a 4 cylinder. You just can't rule them out as a respectable motor just because they're smaller. Anyways, I'm done arguing this point, it's a stupid debate that no one can leave alone, and is pointless to argue.

my feeling is if it's a build thats done correct, i like it. I may not agree with all the choices made, but damn that thing is fast. Gotta appreciate that. Nice work

*sigh*


These threads.

Originally Posted by bluegtp91

*sigh*


These threads.

right?

turned into a pissing match from the guys who dont have enough intelligence to think all motors can be used well, not just V8s.

I especially lul @ the guy who thinks the SS/TC Cobalt's are a mid to low 14 second car when they are turning mid 13's bone stock.

In your face dood.

Reality check people...displacement power is a thing of the past. Does it still work and make power? Sure. But there are other ways to go about it and everybody has their own thing. Get off your horse.

Originally Posted by bluegtp91

I especially lul @ the guy who thinks the SS/TC Cobalt's are a mid to low 14 second car when they are turning mid 13's bone stock.

In your face dood.

Reality check people...displacement power is a thing of the past. Does it still work and make power? Sure. But there are other ways to go about it and everybody has their own thing. Get off your horse.

Well, at least I tried.

I'm having trouble understanding why the v8 guy is one of the few standing up for the small engine/FI setup. Then again in the world of 5.7's and 6.0's, I'm the little guy with my lil 4.6. My replacement has worked pretty well though, all things considered.

Originally Posted by Bio248

you've never heard of a turbo? and i bet a rebuilt bottom end with forged goods on a honda motor costs like $82. if you know how to build a 4 banger, it will be brutally fast. ever seen an inline four motor running 45 pounds of boost on straight methanol making more horsepower than all of the cars in your driveway combined and doubled? okay then.

to all small engine haters: you're weak. grow up.

I know a guy getting his LS 1.8 built out here by a big Honda shop and its costing him $1100 for the bottom end and $1900 for the top to get him to a whopping 200hp. Then $5500 to get it turbo'd by them. So no not $82.

Anyone can make a tin can fast, so what. That's all these built hatches are.

And yes I know a guy who had an over 800whp Honda, it ran a best of low 10's, the owner ran a best of low 13's in it.

To me I don't see how you can argue that a 4 banger can be just as fast as a V8. When's the last time you saw a 4 run a 3 second quarter? I'm pretty sure there are none.

Originally Posted by footballplaya3k

I know a guy getting his LS 1.8 built out here by a big Honda shop and its costing him $1100 for the bottom end and $1900 for the top to get him to a whopping 200hp. Then $5500 to get it turbo'd by them. So no not $82.

It's called teh interwebz sarcasm...look into it.

Originally Posted by footballplaya3k

And yes I know a guy who had an over 800whp Honda, it ran a best of low 10's, the owner ran a best of low 13's in it

If a honda had 800 WHEEL HP...and was only running 10's...then both of the driver's failed...there are PLENTY of Handa's out there with a significant amount of HP less than 800 running 8's and 9's...easily.