Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2012"

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Originally Posted by Bio248

im dumb as hell with my diet....so yeah...

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Then you're in trouble. Any serious athlete, bodybuilder, trainer, nutritionist, etc. you ask will tell you anywhere from 70% - 80% of your success will come from your diet. Period. End of story. While there are supplements that can help your efficiency on your way to your goals, nothing will replace a proper diet. Your body can't build muscle, which is made of nothing more than protein/amino acids, if your diet is lacking sufficient protein throughout the day. Your body can't adequately burn pre-existing fat while you keep dumping more fat and unnecessary carbs into it to replenish what's being burned off.

BTW, regardless of what supplement ads and labels tell you, "build 'lean mass'" is an oxymoron. Putting something to burn fat and something that helps build muscle into one supplement to do both at the same time SOUNDS like it makes sense, but biologically, it doesn't. Anything that burns fat will have an impact on your muscle building results. Anything that promises to pack on muscle will have an impact on your fat burning results. Not to mention you're talking about 2 totally contradicting workout regimens, contradicting diets, etc. for each goal. When you're trying to gain true muscle mass (not just weight), which is VERY hard to do, you have to eat like crazy, including a pretty hefty dose of complex carbs throughout the day. This excessive amount of calories, especially from carbs, is not conducive to burning body fat. On the other hand, while you don't have to go nutty with carb counting, you generally want to go lower when you're trying to lean out. Likewise, if you want to gain mass, cardio is your enemy, as it's taking away valuable calories your muscles need to grow, while leaning out requires lots of cardio to burn fat.

Point is doing both at the same time to their full potential is not realistic. Sure, you'll loose some weight while putting on muscle when you first get started just from your body not being used to what you're doing, but once that initial phase is over, it becomes virtually impossible to do both simultaneously. This is why competitive bodybuilders go through what's called an "off season", which refers to the non-competition/show period. During this time, they eat like crazy to try to pack on as much muscle as they can, knowing full well some excess fat and water weight is going to come along with it. Then 3 or 4 months out from show time, they start changing their workout and diet routines to lean out knowing full well they're going to LOOSE muscle during this time due to the lower carb/calorie intake and increased cardio. It is a necessary evil in order to make the results of all their hard work visible.

The only thing I'd recommend supplement wise if you're going to get serious with your workout routines is a good (at LEAST a 2-a-day) multi vitamin, a good fish oil and some plain old whey protein with maybe a bottle of extra l-glutamine (60% of what your muscle tissue is made of). And no, not the crap you buy at pharmacies or mass chain stores. Good stuff from the local health food/supplement store. Take 1 multi and fish oil pill with at least your breakfast, and whatever you have after the workout. You need food in your stomach in order to digest vitamins properly, and the fat from the fish oil will help digest the fat soluble vitamins, too. You take one after the workout because believe it or not, exercising releases free radicals, which the anti-oxidants in your vitamins will help fight. Take a scoop and a half of the way protein with a heaping teaspoon of pure/straight glutamine powder (5g) 30 min after the workout. This is the point where your blood vessels are dilated in an effort to pump more blood (which shuttles nutrients) into the damaged muscle tissue from the workout (yes, you are literally trying to DESTROY your old muscle tissue by lifting). That means your metabolism is 2 - 3 times higher at this point, and anything you consume will be sucked up like a sponge. Good time to feed your body all those aminos (from the protein) that it's going to need to start the repair process of bringing back your torn muscle tissue stronger/bigger/tighter than before. The glutamine is just helping out that process further since it's 60% of what your muscle tissue is made of.

Everything else is unnecessary garbage that you don't need right now, if ever. For example, N.O.-Xplode, Jack3d, and all these pre-workout crap drinks that are so popular right now are just fancy Red Bulls. The amount of creatine, arginine, beta-alanine, and all the other IMPORTANT ingredients (in the sense that they're something other than stimulants) are virtually non-existent, thus why everything is always listed as a "proprietery blend" on the labels as opposed to breaking down exactly what you're getting. The only thing in abundant enough amounts to do anything are the stimulants to get you wired for the workouts.

that sounds about right. good book.

I'm fat. Not seriously overweight to where I like to be, but fat and out of shape.

Gym membership was renewed yesterday. Watch out, here I come.

Nick I just joined Free Calorie Counter, Diet & Exercise Journal | MyFitnessPal.com Told it i wanna work out once a week for 20 mins and want to lose 1.5 lbs a week. If you stay under your calorie goal you will lose weight i guarantee! I rarely workout and have lost 30lbs since July/August. It's not easy, there's alot of day's I go over but i behave during the week. At work I mostly just eat Special K. It fills me up and when i get hungry i just eat another bowl.

i am going to have to do something different. i will try and figure something out that works for me and see where we can go.

I also have used Myfitnesspal.. It's good for me as it shows me where I am overdoing calories. It's possible to eat meals and snacks w/o going over.

3500cals= 1 lb. You cut out 500 calories a day you lose 1lb a week. Easy math. Nobody said you had to do anything to lose weight, but it comes oh SO much faster when you do.

With school starting back up, I'm awake more than I would prefer, so I'm getting more meals in per day. I drink tons of coffee in the am which probably doesn't help, but I try to get a nice heavy lunch, sammiches and potatoes usually, and for dinner lots of starchy pasta and potatoes and meat and bread :D

Hopefully I'm on the right track to put on some pounds. I even took a near 2 hour nap right after that sammich for lunch today. Come to think of it that was the best damn nap....:D

hit the gym today and ran just under 3 miles. it felt great.

didnt really lift since i want to ease my way back into it and what not. i think i may go swim for a day this week as well.

ease my way back into it HA I love that LAZY excuse. Your not gonna die, blow up or break a bone. The only time you "ease" into it is when you tear something/injured. Go big go all out or go home.

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Originally Posted by Odi

So i failed in 2011. So here goes 2012. Goals:

- Go to a damn gym finally
- Gain ~20 lbs (im 138 @ 5'11)
- Run a mile under 7 min (im a smoker)
- Hopefully get a nicely toned body.

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138 at 5'11 is pretty light but dont worry gaining weight if your a hard gainer can be done! Im 5'9 and 148 but 2 years ago I was only weighing in at 123. Ive been working out fairly consistently for a few years now. I found to put on weight you gotta up your calorie intake by a lot, say 500-700 extra calories a day = weight gain. It takes time but it will work. Not to mention my bench press is through the roof compared to when i started (current maxing at 215 lbs started around 100 lbs). My goal this year is to put on about 15 pounds of both a little fat and muscle.

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Originally Posted by ITHURTZ

ease my way back into it HA I love that LAZY excuse. Your not gonna die, blow up or break a bone. The only time you "ease" into it is when you tear something/injured. Go big go all out or go home.

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due to the fact that if i get crazy amounts of sore i will 'take a day off to recover', i dont want to get into that trend already. dont hate on me for trying. that's a dick move.

let me guess, you laugh at fat people trying to work out when youre at the gym pounding the hundred pound dumbells, right?

i was sweating like a pig, dont you worry.

joined my fitness pal. bring it on!

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Originally Posted by Bio248

due to the fact that if i get crazy amounts of sore i will 'take a day off to recover', i dont want to get into that trend already. dont hate on me for trying. that's a dick move.

let me guess, you laugh at fat people trying to work out when youre at the gym pounding the hundred pound dumbells, right?

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Actually I dont. I laugh at the 19yo tools that flex their 13" biceps in the mirror and their abs when they weigh 120lbs. I dont bother people I keep to myself and just watch year after year how 99.999999999% of people fail because they dont care to try. Once in a GREAT moon I find that someone who tries. He went from 160 to 205lbs from my guidance :)


Everyone has a excuse and I am tired of hearing about it. My only excuse is throwing up, pooping the pants, daughters b-day, or the womens bday. Fitness/bodybuilding w/e is for life and no one understands this. You dont join a gym for 8 weeks become a model then quit and retain it. Everyone is afraid to WORK WORK WORK. But guess what, when you work work work the more **** **** **** you can eat and you wont look like a blob blob blob. The more muscle you have the more calories you burn sitting around doing nothing. Iv eaten mcdonalds/burger king/wendy's for the past 3 yrs 1-2 times a day. I dont count my fat cals or percentage because A. I am not cutting right now B. I burn that **** off. In time you can have your cake and eat it too.

i dont want to be a body builder. i want to lose a little weight and get into better shape. im hoping that tracking my calories and hitting the gym a little more dedicated than i used to and i can lose 20 pounds or so by june.

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Originally Posted by ITHURTZ

I laugh at the 19yo tools that flex their 13" biceps in the mirror and their abs when they weigh 120lbs.

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hey hey now.

that's a familiar number. be nice.

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Originally Posted by Bio248

i dont want to be a body builder. i want to lose a little weight and get into better shape. im hoping that tracking my calories and hitting the gym a little more dedicated than i used to and i can lose 20 pounds or so by june.

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If you want to be technical anyone who builds muscle is a "bodybuilder". Just not a competitive one.

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Originally Posted by ITHURTZ

If you want to be technical anyone who builds muscle is a "bodybuilder". Just not a competitive one.

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Nobody wants to be technical. Everyone likes inferred context. Bodybuilders lift for hypertrophy, powerlifters lift for heavy, crossfitters lift for function/health, etc.

lifted today. arms and chest are gonna hurt tomorrow. legs already hurt today.