Boy do I remember the scam artists!! I believe that they think that the shop has plenty of money & it's not going to hurt anybody to get a freebe, they don't realize that the tech has to do it for free!! I don't miss that part about being married to a tech! All I wanted from the dealer was a diagnosis & I'm taking it to my regular mechanic, who is a very close friend, & he was going to fix it @ his house. I told them that all I needed was diagnostics, which I know takes up some time, then they come back with an EGR valve? I'm not that ignorant! So now I have to pay for everything out of pocket!! I just don't believe it was that big of a coincidence.

Bill....

I will get the details but all I know @ this point is that they're building shields around the vcg, but I do recall 1 saying something about the clips.also, thx for the advice on the subframe being removed & something being bumped or a wire stretched. I just like to save my friend as much time as possible because he turns wrenches all day & then he's nice enough to help me after work.