Thanks Madness, I'll check that one out too. Seems I should have a code reader/scanner. I've owned almost twenty cars in my lifetime and only took one to the shop one time, and that was to have an engine replaced. Would have done that too but I didn't have a garage or a picker at the time, and was tired of swapping engines under a tree with a branch strong enough to hold a hoist!Think the last time I pulled codes on a car/truck it was the old style of turning the key on and off in some specific order, then counting the flashes of the engine light and looking up the codes!