Thank you Bill. As always, you are all the all knowing Grand Prix god.

Link to pull (from the top) engine with transmission included:
http://www.grandprixforums.net/how-p...top-69453.html

The torque converter cost from where I got my replacement engine is $12, plus $2 core charge. No brainer... except it's a 30min drive each way for me. Question I need to figure out is will it take me more than an hr to remove the oil pan and release whatever has the crank hung. Don't know, but I'll pull the pan off once it's all out, and take a quick look.

Apparently, pulling is recommended rather than dropping. Dropping would require a lift, which I don't have, but you could use the engine puller as a Body Puller and leave the drivetrain as you pull the body. Seems like more work, and worth doing only if you want to remove the subframe and suspension because you need those for some other project.

Good luck... on to my pull...