BTW spartan you lies know no bounds do they? I NEVER said I put fluid on them YOU suggested I use brake clean and if I did use fluid why are the still greasy and rusty? You sold me crap a stand up guy would refund the money and go after the packing place that lied to you about shipping, or did they really lie and did you pack them you avoided numerous phone calls and emails someone in the right would not have done that. That's why I had to start this post or did the "Fluid" cause rust and cause the brake dust to cake on and turn powder coat to paint?