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    I just did my Red '99 GT on Wednesday/Thursday of last week. Took my time, but it took me both full days.

    Here's what I did:
    I did the coolant passage block (no more coolant in the wrong place again EVER), porting out of the LIM passage at the endcap, New Valve cover gaskets, NEW LIM Gaskets with metal gaskets (not faulty plastic anymore, and it came with the tube of black RTV sealant), new dorman UIM with reinforced/aluminum chimney for the Exhaust Gas Recirculation port, new PCV valve (came with the dorman UIM), new fuel injector O-Rings (6 came with the dorman UIM, and 6 came with the LIM Gaskets), new thermostat gaskets (came with the LIM Gaskets), new map sensor seal (came with the LIM Gaskets), new water pump, new heater hose fittings that connect into the LIM and block, thread sealant for all LIM bolts and water pump long bolts, and cleaning/detailing everything including all bolts (one LIM bolt was so corroded I had to buy a new one). My map sensor fell to pieces when I took it off, so I had to get a new one of those also. My coolant temp sensor also broke, but I plastic weld repaired it and is working fine.

    While I was in there, I did the LIM mods outlined here:
    http://www.grandprixforums.net/how-mod-lim-46931.html

    The car is still hesitating, so I'm not out of the woods yet, sadly. I'm going to take another stab at it this week when I have time. I was hoping it was the map sensor, since I goop'ed it to see if it would fix, but wouldn't, so I drove to the autoparts store and bought a new one. Nope, not the map. I had also done a compression test before all the work, so I know the heads are good. I'm out of ideas right now, but we'll see.
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    McFly - I did pretty much all of the same work as you, with the addition of new heads.
    I still have some hesitation, and i believe it is a clogged catalytic converter - I will find out for sure this weekend when I cut it out & weld in a straight pipe.
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    Hmm... I don't see how my cat could be bad. Everything was running fine, and then it overheated... which meant the UIM got damaged, and coolant went everywhere. In my case, I don't think so... but, it's a another thing to look at. Thank you.
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    OMG! You are right! I released the upper bolts of the cat, and REV REV REV! It was the cat on my car as well!

    I guess my cat must have got full of water/junk when the Manifold Gaskets failed.

    Edit: I'm wondering now if the reason the Gaskets failed, which was because of overheating, was caused by the cat going bad. In other words, I wonder if the cat was going bad, which caused it to overheat, which caused the Gaskets/UIM to fail. I'm just happy my car is running again (well, very loud, until I get the cat back on).
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    Turns out, I also had a bad coil. HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN!?!?!?! I get a cat that goes bad, a coil that goes bad, my lower gaskets fail, and my upper manifold decides to warp/crack. It's like it had a brain fart and imploded on itself.

    Oh, and I paid $40 to cut a section out of my cat pipe. The entire cat and U-Bend were taken out, and replaced with a straight pipe and an O2 sensor bung. I now have a nice clean downpipe for the price of only $40. I then threw a $4 defouler on there, and 50 miles later, still no Check Engine Light for emmissions. Success. To boot, I probably gained 5-10hp!

    The coils I bought at a junk yard, the set of 3 OEM (which are said to be the best) for $30! UIM, I paid $65 for an opened boxed one that was on ebay. Ofcourse, $125 for LIM Gaskets, Valve Cover Gaskets, and new water pump.

    Total damage for me came to $264, but you also have to add in for coolant, oil, oil filter, brake cleaner, etc. So, around $300.
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    that's not a downpipe.
    Whine with your Cheese?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyguy03 View Post
    all that work and no top swap?
    it's a 97. the vac assisted 4t60 would explode after a few weeks
    But why make it an SE?



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    its called the domino effect mcfly lol
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    Well guys my car has been running decent for the last few days since we put it back together. It does now have an annoying rattle when the car is in drive and car is stopped or slightly moving. But otherwise decent. Although i do find myself looking at a 02 grand prix now lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spider4 View Post
    Well guys my car has been running decent for the last few days since we put it back together. It does now have an annoying rattle when the car is in drive and car is stopped or slightly moving. But otherwise decent. Although i do find myself looking at a 02 grand prix now lol.
    GREAT NEWS! Very good to hear!

    Rattle? Did you forget something? I had a rattle before, and now it's gone!... It was the PCV valve, funny actually. That was a nice surprise to find when I opened my new LIM gaskets package. Even nicer when I found out mine was bad.
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    that's not a downpipe.
    Oh, Ok. Well, it's a decatted section of pipe that goes down from the Manifolds, and to the mid-pipe of the exhaust. I don't know. Coming from the standard naming convention from the other cars I've worked on, that's what I thought to call it.
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    its called the domino effect mcfly lol
    I was actually thinking about this today. You are absolutely right. To explain it... The faulty EGR design caused the upper manifold to crack, which then leaked coolant into cylinder 1, which caused it to misfire, which caused the coil to go bad because of the plug shorting out with the water causing feedback to the coil, which then caused more misfiring, which then caused the motor to be over taxed and overheating, while also leaking away the much important coolat, which then resulted in low coolant, overheating even more, causing the lower manifold gaskets to crack and leak making matters worse, so much that the engine began to steam clean itself with vapor, causing carbon deposits to flake off the combustion chamber, which then ended up in the catalytic converter, causing the catalytic converter to clog, then causing the engine to be even more overtaxed, to the point that the engine could not take it anymore, overheated even more, hurt the water pump gasket along the way with such overheating, and then completely lost all ability to even stay running, no matter how hard I tried to gas it OR try to starting it with the failing cylinder(s) removed from the circuit without sparkplug (two bad cylinders).

    Results, bad upper manifold, bad coil, bad gaskets, bad catalytic converter, bad waterpump gasket.

    Oh well, I replaced the bad EGR design with a better one (aka redesigned upper manifold), sealed the coolant passage on any chance the new EGR design is still not good enough, replaced all the other bad stuff with new/better, and cutout the catalytic converter from ever causing a bottleneck ever again.

    Sheesh! My engine seems so very happy to be alive. I've NEVER felt it so strong! I can do burnouts too easily now, which I never could before.
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