UPDATE, pg.2!!! Drivers Door Adjustment? Hinge?

[Iron Indian]

Lately i've noticed the door on my GTP has been sagging a little. Today its sagging a little bit enough to catch the fender on a corner just a little. Its enough to take some action now before I start ruining a major area of paint or bend a fender/door.

I can pulled up and down on my drivers door a good bit, so I know the bushings in the hinge must be shot. My passenger door has 0 play at all, then again its never used and thats to be expected. From looking at the hinges they don't look rebuildable (a pin and bushing kit). It looks like the only way to cure this problem is to replace both hinge assemblies on the door. Is this exactly what I need to do? Anyone do this before? I'm assuming the only good way to do this is pull the front fender. I see no other way otherwise. Anyone know anything?

I kinda know of one other way, but I donno if it would be half assing it or not, IMO it probably is. Body shops have a tool to conect to your door latch and to the stricker plate. The tool has a handle on it and you apply pressure to bend up the door into the desired postion. Any body guys familiar with this and have any input?

The car is a 2-door and it has 160,000+ on it. Hopefully some higher mileage guys have input and can help me out here. There are not too many of us out there.

[justwhisen]

well the manual showes an adjuster bolt, but its on the body of the car.
after looking at it physicaly, I have to say you need to pull the fender to get to the whole assembly adjuster and all.

[justwhisen]

which kinda sucks I need the same maintence myself.

[TheOtherNick]

I had the same problem right after i bought the car so the dealer took care of it. They told me they just used the bolt. I don't remember them saying anything about pulling the fender. My friends works there and told me what they did. All i can say is fix it quick i waited too long and now i have a little rust i have to take care of from the rubbing

[SyntheticShield]

I moved this one this time, next time I'll follow what is spelled out here:

http://www.grandprixforums.net/f14/a...read-6828.html
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[Iron Indian]

I moved this one this time, next time I'll follow what is spelled out here:

http://www.grandprixforums.net/f14/a...read-6828.html
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You'll delete my posts? That kinda sucks IMO. I mean I honestly posted in a forum i thought it would be good in (General is where I think I posted it). IMO it could be posted in the Grand Prix section too. Sorry I didn't post it in a forum you approve of, i'm not a mind reader, sorry dude.

I'm not trying to be a dick, you do a good job keeping the forums straight and all but I think deleting members posts maybe going a bit too far. Peoples opinions where things need to be put can very I think. Thats all i'm saying, i'm not complaining or anything, i'm just giving my 2 cents, that all.

Enough of this, back on topic.....

[SyntheticShield]

You'll delete my posts? That kinda sucks IMO. I mean I honestly posted in a forum i thought it would be good in (General is where I think I posted it). IMO it could be posted in the Grand Prix section too. Sorry I didn't post it in a forum you approve of, i'm not a mind reader, sorry dude.

I'm not trying to be a dick, you do a good job keeping the forums straight and all but I think deleting members posts maybe going a bit too far. Peoples opinions where things need to be put can very I think. Thats all i'm saying, i'm not complaining or anything, i'm just giving my 2 cents, that all.

Enough of this, back on topic.....

Thats why forum descriptions are posted at the top of each section. Ive asked on a few occasions for everyone to pay attention to those descriptions. When that didnt help, I posted a thread about it. When that didnt help, I put into place a set of actions that would be followed if that continued. Sad to say, as in the case of your post, people are still not reading the forum descriptions to make sure their posts are in the correct area, and Ive deleted quite a few already. There is no 'opinion' to be followed on where the posts should go if you read the forum descriptions. With few exceptions, its fairly straight forward if one takes the time to make sure that what they are posting about lines up with the description for that area.

You may think its harsh, but how hard is it to nip it at the source and read the forum descriptions and double check where you are posting?

[Iron Indian]

Thats why forum descriptions are posted at the top of each section. Ive asked on a few occasions for everyone to pay attention to those descriptions. When that didnt help, I posted a thread about it. When that didnt help, I put into place a set of actions that would be followed if that continued. Sad to say, as in the case of your post, people are still not reading the forum descriptions to make sure their posts are in the correct area, and Ive deleted quite a few already. There is no 'opinion' to be followed on where the posts should go if you read the forum descriptions. With few exceptions, its fairly straight forward if one takes the time to make sure that what they are posting about lines up with the description for that area.

I just gave my 2 cents and I think I gave a fairly valid point. On certain things, they could be posted in other forums which you may or may not agree with. I'd hate to see people get screwed over because of this and miss some pretty decent posts, thats all. Its ok to keep things in order, but you don't have to be super anal about it. Thats all i'm saying.

I'm cool with the rules and all and i'm not general a person who fights the man, but some rules need to be tweaked or many will break them unintentional. Thats my point.

I hate to hear we're losing posts like that, its a shame. Oh well, I don't know anything, i'm only a High School Grad...

[SyntheticShield]

I just gave my 2 cents and I think I gave a fairly valid point. On certain things, they could be posted in other forums which you may or may not agree with. I'd hate to see people get screwed over because of this and miss some pretty decent posts, thats all. Its ok to keep things in order, but you don't have to be super anal about it. Thats all i'm saying.

And again, you're missing the point. All it takes is a few seconds to read the forum description. And I dont consider it being 'super anal' when you make posts asking everyone to watch where they are posting, then give advance notice that things would change if the trend continued and even then I still dont delete all I could given the new guidelines, as in your case. Furthermore, its a scaled response taking into account whether you are new here or not.

But again, ALL of this can be avoided by simply taking time to read the forum descriptions. I even take into account if someone says they werent sure.

There are two things to keep in mind:

1. It is the members responsibility to keep current with the rules laid out here.
2. If you read the forum descriptions, you'll most likely post in the right area if you ask yourself does the question I want to ask fit in this section.

Its really that simple.

[JoshMcMadMac]

I am also trying to remedy this issue. Any more specifics on this adjuster bolt?

[justwhisen]

the bolt is in the actual hinge assembly, there are the 13mm bolts that hold the hinge on, a small torx that also holds the hinge on and then there is a 10mm torx "cone adjuster". from the way it looks in the book, it looks like the back side is some kinda cam type adjuster.
if anybody can do it without removing the fender do tell. inquiring minds wanna know.

[Iron Indian]

the bolt is in the actual hinge assembly, there are the 13mm bolts that hold the hinge on, a small torx that also holds the hinge on and then there is a 10mm torx "cone adjuster". from the way it looks in the book, it looks like the back side is some kinda cam type adjuster.
if anybody can do it without removing the fender do tell. inquiring minds wanna know.

I looked at mine today, I can't seem to locate this torx screw. I haven't tried this yet, hopefully next weekend. I betting if that screw exists on the back side of the hinge, you could probably access it with the fender liner removed and a long extension maybe? Guess we'll see. Anyone get to mess with this yet?

[justwhisen]

no. I havent had the time or the gumption to get real involved with my door yet, as I need to replace the roller bushing and all the others, mine hasnt started hitting the sill yet. so yea Im kinda procrastinating.

[Iron Indian]

no. I havent had the time or the gumption to get real involved with my door yet, as I need to replace the roller bushing and all the others, mine hasnt started hitting the sill yet. so yea Im kinda procrastinating.

Cool, let me know if you learn something new! I need to find time to dick with it now. If I learn something helpful, i'll let you and the forum know. Thanks!

[Iron Indian]

So the GPF rules (aka the 10 comandments) can't be changed at all? LOL Ok god....

[WhiteGT]

Did anyone ever figure this one out? I just noticed this past week that my driver door has a bit of play and would like to fix it before it gets worse. I figured the hinges would have to be replaced since there is no pins and bushings but it would be awesome if there is another option!

[Iron Indian]

Nope I haven't yet, i need this fixed but i've been busy at work. As soon as i figure out something, i'll post it up. As far as I can tell, the hinges aren't rebuildable...

[98SilvermistGTP]

I will look into this myself. My passenger side door is rubbing on the bottom corner. Has anybody came up with anything on this yet?

[Iron Indian]

UPDATE!

Actully I did today, nothing great but it works and doesn't rub anymore. The real and best fix would me to get new hinges since there not rebuildable. I'll probably end up doing this, for now though, my current fix is working excellent. And I didn't have to remove the front fender.

All I did. I took my cherry picker, used a nylon strap, rolled down my window, tied the strap on my door frame and snugged it up. Loosened (not remove) the two lower bolts for the lower hinge on the door side. Applied very minimal pressure on the cherry picker, I inserted a 1/16" fender shim (smallest on hand) on the lower most bolt and tightened her down. After checking and making sure the door had perfect fender clearence, I re-adjusting the stricker on the door post, everything fits, lines up, and works great!

I have a whole bunch of fender shims from various body projects in the past so it didn't cost me nothing but a little time. Fender shims are dirt cheap though, a few bucks at OReillys will buy you a whole box full of them with various sizes. And there handy to have when aligning body panels, especially on an old school car. The cherry picker you don't need either, but since I have one handy, I could do it by myself with ease. I'd recommend having a hand there when you start placing in shims to lift up the door for you.

Hope this helps out someone...

[bronzegp]

My '00 GP GT (sedan) driver door was sagging so bad that whenever I would open it, it would "pop" and scratch the fender/door seam. After awhile I got annoyed and the paint was coming off so I took it to the stealer, I mean dealer, and they said my door moved forward (comparing it to the passenger door) most likely from a strong wind when it was open all the way or something similiar. The dealer only charged me $50 to re-adjust the door, touch up the paint, and actually pull out the fender a bit. Yes, it got so bad my fender was bent a little. Not bad, I took it to the body shop, not the mechanical service shop here in SE Michigan. The manager said if I needed hinges it would have cost about $200 a hinge but I was no where near needing new hinges he said. I usually am a DIY'er, like you all, but this was out of my patience, and time allowance. Hope this gives you another idea...