Bill, yes they both show it running cool. there are the 5 "big" marks on the guage..low end, quarter, half, there quarter and high end. There are 3 (I think) smaller lines in between the large ones. It's not getting above the second small line from the large low end mark. Seems to run cooler with the cool weather. I put a Delco stat in it yesterday and it had the gasket already on it so I just popped it in and am still having the same issue. It's turning on my light within minutes of clearing it out.