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03-29-2009
I'm not so sure if the knock sensors would pick up the noisy from a gear drive or not
Hell for those of us who have heard Jason Farnsworth's Cog Drive on his car would swear the knock snesor would pick that up, but fortuneitly he's had 0 Issues with the knock sensors. I think a quieter gear drive would work great even with knock sensors. Let me know if you do it, I'd want this over a double rollar any day.
03-30-2009
i was talking about the timing chain (double rollers). if it doesnt break in the first few thousand miles then i dont think youll have a problem at all.
03-30-2009
Originally Posted by Bio248
I donno, I recently read a thread over at ClubGP about a guy breaking a JP at 30K or 40K. If I were you, i'd check it out to be safe. Thats just me though. With all the problems there have been lately with timing sets, its not worth the risk. I wish someone would make something that worked correctly out of the box. Seems like all the double rollers for our motors have there issues...
03-30-2009
i will check it when i spin a bearing on the block i have now or when i decide to bite the bullet and just change blocks like i want to. high compression here i come.
03-30-2009
I plan on building a wicked N/A 3.8, going to build it like I did my old iron, build it withstand a 300 full shot.
Now are the mighty rwd 3.8's internals compatible???
Got pics of this cog drive? id be worried about throwing that damn belt and cutting off the front end, thats what made me think about the gear drives.
03-30-2009
i love people that want to build fast N/A cars. just why? you can make an FI go so much faster for so much cheaper.
no, the RWD 3800s are not the same unless youre talking about the seriesII camaro/firebird, but that is the same motor as ours so it really doesnt matter. the internals of the old 231 that was in the GN and t-type is completely different.
03-30-2009
You're right, FI can be easier and just as fun. But at the same time, a big cammed, headed, stalled, geared, high comp, stroker motor is a nice feeling to drive on the street. Granted at that stage, its most likely terrible on gas all the time. At least with an FI car you can turn down the boost for a mild street setup.
03-31-2009
Faster for cheaper? yes but if you put your money into the FI and not the engine, it will only be fast for a short time then it will be broken. Ive ran em both, if you want a FAST FI car and im not talking mear 12's, you have to dump the NA build money into the engine THEN dump the money into the FI system.
There arent many GM motors that can retain stock internals and handle the pressure of FI.
03-31-2009
Huh? These engines really don't have to be "built" to handle boost. IIRC ZZP went 9's on a stock GT bottom end. How fast are you planning on going?
03-30-2009
interesting, I can't wait to see the outcome on this. So this would be a bad idea on the S/C 3.8's?
If they're extremely loud I would want that, haha!
03-31-2009
**** even without boost GM's are notorious for grenading.
I remember putting a bigger carb on once and 3 days later it blew and well it was the carb that blew but sent all sorts of crap into the motor and **** embedded into the underside of my hood. very similar yet less destructive then an N2O backfire.
Bio, where in wisco are you? im up there ALOT for fish and fur sometimes feathers too.
03-31-2009
feathers.. what kind? pheasants?
03-31-2009
im in the milwaukee area. hunting isnt my thing, though. i get bored VERY easily and would rather have a fenced in area where all i have to do is aim well.
03-31-2009
Mainly phesants but mostly waterfowl
Where I hunt is about 3 west of you and an hour north of there, I go out west to go north lol.
I plan on being up that way a few times this year yet.
Hows the cheese this year?
Yes when I go to cheeseland I put my vinyl cling piss on packers in the back window. Its fun to get a rise out of em.
03-31-2009
how long for though? and by stock are you defining it as 100% showroom stock bottom end? or a stock spec bottom end?
My buddy used to hold the world supra record for most hp on stock internals, then it blew.
Im sure youve heard of him too, it aint marco thats for sure.
03-31-2009
yep. 100% stock bottom end. no one really builds these bottoms ends up because they handle everything so well.
03-31-2009
Thats the oddest thing I have ever heard in relation to GM products.
04-01-2009
Yep the 3800 is hands down one of the best engines GM made, these things are almost bulletproof when properly maintained and sensibly modded. The only weak link for our car's is the trans, that is where the majority of your money is gonna go.
03-31-2009
it is cheaper to just buy a used junkyard block then rebuild one.
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