Thread: New Updates! After swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se car

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 79

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1 New Updates! After swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se car 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    NEED HELP! A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se car
    Not sure if i want to ever do a swap like this again

    1 - The only dtc code ive got is p1651-ran control 1 relay or qdm "B" fault
    fan one does not come on but it did when the 3.1 engine was in the car

    2 - performance shift works but neither indicators show up

    3 - weird one here - low engine oil light is on in all range selections except drive (4rth)

    4 - low coolant level light is on with coolant level good - this also worked correctly when the 3.1 was in the car

    5 - cruise control also does not work and it worked when the 3.1 was in the car

    Do i need to swap the gauge cluster and bcm and or anything else?

    5 - abs not working and it also worked when the 3.1 was in the car

    6 - gear selector indicator in dash cluster not working

    the doner car is a 1998 gp gtp complete car 3.8 s.c.
    the car it went in - 2002 gp s.e with a 3.1
    During the swap installed the engine with pcm and engine wiring harness, picked up a 4t65e trans and put hd my diff into it, swapped the the fuel tank and pump and evap system
    anyone that could chime in on this one would be awesome
    Last edited by JimSWylie; 02-01-2014 at 09:38 PM. Reason: Updated
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2. #2 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Come on someone, 33 views and no ideas
    Reply With Quote  
     

  3. #3 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    GrandPrix Junkie CTKGP09's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Willoughby, Ohio
    Posts
    3,831
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    isn't there a wire you have to run to the DIC for the performance shift light to work? a lot of these issues seem like wire harness mismatches, I wish I had more info for you...
    '04 Chevy Silverado LT 4x4 - intake, headers, full exhaust, zo6 cam, 799 heads, tune, leveled, 33's
    '00 Grand Prix GTP DAYTONA 500 - L36 block, S1X, intercooled, GenV, N*, headers, full exhaust, coilovers, 5 speed swap, stage 3+ clutch
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #4 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I also swapped out the dics
    Ive heard of something about that but have found it yet
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #5 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    Turbo is the way to go. BillBoost37's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    W Spfld
    Posts
    26,815
    Thanks (Received)
    53
    Likes (Received)
    90
    Dislikes (Received)
    1
    Do you have the schematics on both engine wire harnesses where they connect into the relay center? That's likely most of the problem. 3.1 probably put a pin in a different place.

    Also...if you put an HD diff into a non hd w body trans, the gear ratio is going to be 3.29 instead of 2.93. That might piss off the pcm and cause cruise and abs to not work.
    I drink..so consider that when reading my posts.

    2010 Audi A6 Dual IC's
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #6 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I swapped the relay center also, the 3.1 did not have the pins inside for relay #15 - F/PMP SPD CONT, also the bottom side had a lot less pins in there for the engine/pcm harness
    also i thought that the only difference between the 4t65e and 4t65e-hd was the diff and axle
    Last edited by JimSWylie; 01-16-2014 at 10:50 PM.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #7 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    okay banging my head on this for the last three days hears what i come up with -
    The engine runs great idles smooth, at wot a little cutting out around the 4,000 rpm range and up, but still pulls hard
    when this occurs these dtc's pop up - P0134-O2 sensor circuit no activity detected, P0171-system to lean bank 1, P1133-HOS2 B1-S1 insufficient switching, P1115 E CT circuit intermittent high voltage, P0730- incorrect gear ratio = THESE ONLY POP UP AT W.O.T.=
    These DTC's will clear and stay cleared until W.O.T. occurs.
    D.T.C. that are on constant and do not clear are - P1651-fan control relay or QDM 'B' Fault and P1672- low engine oil level lamp control circuit.
    Still the range selector in the dash cluster not working right and temp gauge in dash also not working. Fan 1 never comes on but fan 2 does come on at 226 degrees.
    None of this was going on in the doner car.
    Ive went through checking all my relays fuses and sensors.
    Would it be the best to get a 2002 engine harness, pcm, and relay control center assembly?
    Until i get this figured out im using a code scanner that monitors live data to watch engine temp and temporarily wired in a switch, relay, and fuse to manually turn on and off fan 1.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #8 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    GTX Level Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    troll land
    Posts
    1,018
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Did you change out the cruise control cable? And is your abs lite on.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #9 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Yes i had to change both throttle and cruise control cable-they both hook up differently to the t.b.
    and yes the abs light is on. I did notice wheel sesors go in differently into the harness but i was going to work on that after i get everything else working properly.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #10 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    GTX Level Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    troll land
    Posts
    1,018
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    1998 gp and 2002 gps engine harness connect differently to the wheel speed sensor wiring.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  11. #11 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by BillBoost37 View Post
    Do you have the schematics on both engine wire harnesses where they connect into the relay center? That's likely most of the problem. 3.1 probably put a pin in a different place.

    Also...if you put an HD diff into a non hd w body trans, the gear ratio is going to be 3.29 instead of 2.93. That might piss off the pcm and cause cruise and abs to not work.
    So if i put the std diff back in the pcm will not throw the code for incorrect gear ratio, otherwise i would need to swap the gears a chain behind the valve body?
    Also not having any luck finding schematics for between relay center and firewall.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  12. #12 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Anyone know or have info on re-pinning wires on the three plugs that bolt on underneath the fuse /relay center?
    I found the stumbling problem which was a loose hose between fuel pump and sending unit.
    The engine runs great other than the temp gauge not moving off of 0, the low coolant light comes on as the service engine soon light, low oil level light comes on in reverse-third and first, the range selector indicator does not work at all, and fan 1 does not come at all. Any help or info or where to look would be great its been aggravating not finding any info about this.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  13. #13 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I'm not getting any responses about my engine harness / fuse relay center questions to fix the dash cluster warning lights and gear selector lights not working right yet. To early for responses or would picks of items in question help get better responses. I really cant believe that no one hear hasn't swapped out a 2002 SE LG8 for a 98 L67 besides having both complete cars.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  14. #14 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    GTX Level Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    troll land
    Posts
    1,018
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Have you gotten pinouts on both the current car and the donor? Gm likes to change around for the hell of it. The cutting out could b from the wrong gear eatio, ask me how i know
    Reply With Quote  
     

  15. #15 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I do have both
    i put the 4t65e-hd diff and axle into the 4t65e trans what else in the trans needs swapped for gear ratio?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  16. #16 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    GTX Level Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    troll land
    Posts
    1,018
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Just curious, why didnt ya just use the complete 4t65 hd from the donor?
    Quote Originally Posted by JimSWylie View Post
    I do have both
    i put the 4t65e-hd diff and axle into the 4t65e trans what else in the trans needs swapped for gear ratio?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  17. #17 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    It was fried with 300,000+ miles on it tore it down clutches and sveral hard parts wasted
    Reply With Quote  
     

  18. #18 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    Turbo is the way to go. Fivefingerdeathpunch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Rogers, MN
    Posts
    21,022
    Thanks (Received)
    21
    Likes (Received)
    45
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Nothing, just a computer tune to tell it that its got a different gear ratio now.

    SMGPFC Member #1
    Reply With Quote  
     

  19. #19 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    SE Level Member JimSWylie's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Newport, WA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Kinda sucks for me i want to get a tuner but cant yet and i have no way in my area to tune it.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  20. #20 Re: A few problems to work out after swapping 98 gp gtp 3.8 s.c. into a 2002 gp se ca 
    GTX Level Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    troll land
    Posts
    1,018
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    And the engine was still good enuf to b worth swapping?
    Reply With Quote  
     

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. 2007 GXP No gears work and reverse lights dont work
    By MikeJenkins in forum 1997-2007 4 speed Automatic (4T65E) (4T65E-HD)
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 07-07-2012, 06:05 AM
  2. Electrical issues on 98 gtp, Half electronics work most dont work
    By Eric Krawczak in forum General Tech Discussion
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 04-30-2012, 10:06 AM
  3. Work Gripes About My First World Problems
    By SlowNA06 in forum The Rant Forum
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 02-06-2012, 01:04 PM
  4. Will a 98 Key Fob work on a 2002
    By timboku in forum General Tech Discussion
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 05-13-2010, 01:36 PM
  5. 2002 GTP Rear Defroster Problems
    By irex511 in forum General Tech Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 01-21-2010, 05:54 PM
Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •