Want to lower your car? Look in here!!

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Originally Posted by Bio248

Depends how much work you want to do..

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what do you mean how much work? i was thinking maybe with 245/45/17's i can come flush to the fender and be pretty low? cuz eibach aint doing it for me i wanna be lowwwww :th_angry-teeth:

i wanna go side ways on all speed bumps :D

if you want to go really low you run shorter than stock tires. that helps with the rubbing as well, but you have to make up for increased wheel gap with running the coilovers even lower. this means even more reduced travel of the strut and the high potential of bottoming out body parts a lot. however, if you run a little more camber than is typical you can go pretty low and still tuck. the problem with this is a little bit of funny tire wear. the car will handle better, though.

i dont know how low youre really trying to go, but putting the front bumper an inch or two off the ground leaves speed bumps as actual impassible obstacles. either way you go about it youre going to run into serious suspension geometry issues. dave (drunkie) basically has his car set so the tops of the tires are flush with the bottom of the fender and he seems to be doing okay. going another inch lower for him would mean that his lip on the front bumper would more than likely take to the street every so often.

I was just curious because I saw that they were a little cheaper and didn't know if they were the same thing or less quality

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Originally Posted by Bio248

if you want to go really low you run shorter than stock tires. that helps with the rubbing as well, but you have to make up for increased wheel gap with running the coilovers even lower. this means even more reduced travel of the strut and the high potential of bottoming out body parts a lot. however, if you run a little more camber than is typical you can go pretty low and still tuck. the problem with this is a little bit of funny tire wear. the car will handle better, though.

i dont know how low youre really trying to go, but putting the front bumper an inch or two off the ground leaves speed bumps as actual impassible obstacles. either way you go about it youre going to run into serious suspension geometry issues. dave (drunkie) basically has his car set so the tops of the tires are flush with the bottom of the fender and he seems to be doing okay. going another inch lower for him would mean that his lip on the front bumper would more than likely take to the street every so often.

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Im really thinking about getting 235/45/17's or 245/55/17" because of the small side wall look, and i would like my front bumper at about 3-4 inch from the floor

you can do that with lowering springs...

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...3866587195.jpg

so are AGXs still the strut to go with for the lowered? read through a thread where a few ppl said just to go with GR2s

How low?

What sort of performance are you expecting from the vehicle?

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Originally Posted by Bio248

pretty much the same thing as the held/zzp ones.

all of the sets available are modded struts with sleeves and potentially a pillow ball upper mount. building them yourself would be easily under $500, but most people dont understand how simple it really is.

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I understand its simple but making the top mounts and doing so correctly is the key. I bought the Helds for the custom top mount piece that is truly a good piece of engineering

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Originally Posted by Bio248

if you want to go really low you run shorter than stock tires. that helps with the rubbing as well, but you have to make up for increased wheel gap with running the coilovers even lower. this means even more reduced travel of the strut and the high potential of bottoming out body parts a lot. however, if you run a little more camber than is typical you can go pretty low and still tuck. the problem with this is a little bit of funny tire wear. the car will handle better, though.

i dont know how low youre really trying to go, but putting the front bumper an inch or two off the ground leaves speed bumps as actual impassible obstacles. either way you go about it youre going to run into serious suspension geometry issues. dave (drunkie) basically has his car set so the tops of the tires are flush with the bottom of the fender and he seems to be doing okay. going another inch lower for him would mean that his lip on the front bumper would more than likely take to the street every so often.

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You keep telling me to do that, run shorter tires, but by the time you try to make it up with the coilovers in drop height you have to bottom out this strut. I don't think there is a point with a shorter tire that the Coilover could make up and fill in that wheel gap honestly.

There are advantages and disadvantages to this sort of coilover setup, one big plus in my book is the fact you do run out of strut travel. Why is that good? It means there is a point where the tire does have to stop before it does serious damage to the car. But its also bad because you ultimately can not drop these coilovers all the way with out just riding on bumpstops all day long. Right where I'm at, I hit the bump stops every so often if I'm not paying attention to the road and dodging the bigger bumps. I have done several road trips at this height.

So there are definitely pros and cons, I say stick to normal size tires, because you honestly can never make up the wheel gap without looking stupid.

Looking at the Intense coilovers, doesn't look like they ever got the pillow ball joint and camber mounts to work. Also doesn't look like you can drop as low as Held coilovers as the threads don't drop the way down the strut like the helds.

Intense
http://intense-racing.com/pics/coilover/COTop.jpg

Held
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...SDC10196-1.jpg

When you drop all the way, you probably loose another inch of strut travel with the weight of the car on top

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...s/SDC10204.jpg

3.25" drop on coilovers

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...x/SDC10807.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...x/SDC10806.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...x/SDC10808.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...x/SDC10815.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...x/SDC10805.jpg

are these the new wheels?

if you want to go lower without bottoming it out all the way you run a shorter, stiffer spring.

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Originally Posted by Bio248

if you want to go lower without bottoming it out all the way you run a shorter, stiffer spring.

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I don't follow that still with have an issue of bottoming out.

key word there is stiffer.

want to lower my 97 gtp 4door. How much difference is there between eibach, b&g and ssc/dna springs?

eibach and B&G are going to be lower than SSC, which are going to be lower than DNA.

the ride gets worse the lower you go.

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Originally Posted by Drunkie

Looking at the Intense coilovers, doesn't look like they ever got the pillow ball joint and camber mounts to work. Also doesn't look like you can drop as low as Held coilovers as the threads don't drop the way down the strut like the helds.

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The Helds are the ZZP one's right? So for a better control/drop I should go with ZZP? At first I thinking about buying the Intense one's... And im running 245/45/17 on a 8'' 36+ offset rim. I dont want any wheel gap...