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    Alright folks, heres the deal. I just got back from Japan not too long ago and have a little extra money left over that I had alotted for the trip. I figured I'd treat myself to some more sound stuff. Now Ive got one single 10in Pioneer sub right now and have had it for almost 2 years. Thinking its upgrade time. I don't especially want glass shattering bass but on the other hand I dont want to have to upgrade again. I figure the subs that I am looking at should suffice. I spent the last 3 days surfing the web and I'm pretty set on getting 2 12in Pioneer Champion Series Pro subwoofers (TS-W3003D4) http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...PRO/TS-W3003D4. I found these on day one of the search and feel like this is the way to go. However, I've spent 3 days trying to figure out how to wire these and what amp to get. At first I was thinking I needed a 2 Channel amp (1 channel/ sub) that put out anywhere from 450-900watts/ channel at 4 ohms (per Crutchfields 75%-150% suggestion of the 600watt RMS that the Pioneer has). I couldnt really find quite what I was looking for for ~$100. I did find 4 channel bridgeable amps that would work that put out 700watts at 4ohm/ channel (or at least what I thought would work). Then after doing some more reasearch today (day 3) I found something about really put a wrinkle in things. I read about someone using a monoblock amp with 2 of their subs and it was better to do that than run a 2 or 4 channel amp. I guess I would prefer the monoblock but really dont know what to consider. If I follow that 75%-150% of the RMS that would mean Id need an amp that can put out anywhere from 450watt-900watt / sub (900watt-1800watt for both).

    Now another thing is that the subs have a dual voice cone meaning it has 4 jacks to hook into. I started poking around the internet on what I would do to hook them up using Rockford Fosgates wiring diagrams and other wiring diagrams and noticed that by running them differently you can change the resistance (ohms). Then now instead of needing a 4ohm amp you can use a 1ohm. Now Im beginning to second guess myself some more. And how many ohms is it per set of jacks? Any upsides to running a certain number of ohms over another. (Ive read the higher the ohms the better the clarity)

    As far as reviews for the Pioneers they have been mixed. It seems like its either a one star or 5 stars. 5 being more aboundant. The 1 stars all state about how the subs blew in like a week or less than one month. This makes me feel like its install error and using the wrong amp wattage/ ohms that is causing this. I cant believe that Pioneer would have a faulty product like some people seem to be stating. Any input is appreciated on this.



    General Features: 12in Pioneer Champion Series Pro subwoofer (TS-W3003D4)


    • 12" Dual 4 Ohm Champion Series Pro Subwoofer
    • Power Handling:
      • Peak: 2,000 watts
      • RMS: 600 watts

    • IMPP composite seamless woofer cone
    • Dual-layer elastic polymer surround
    • Spring-loaded speaker terminal posts
    • Perfect for a ported or sealed enclosure
    • Features larger magnet combined with a dual spider design
    • Frequency Response: 20-80 Hz
    • Top-mount depth: 6-9/10"
    • Sensitivity: 96 dB





    What I'd like to know

    1) Is each set of jacks on the subwoofer 4 ohm or is it 2 ohm for each pair?
    2) Can I put each sub in a seperate box and still use the center pass through (2000 GT) or at least 5in of the centermost part?
    3) What amp to run for about $150 tops? (Mono, 2chan, 4chan) (#of watts) (Class? AB D?)



    I'd like to apologize as I really didnt want to have to come here and bother you guys as I thought I could figure it out myself but the more I read the more confused I get. Hope you can all understand.
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