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    98 gt.. I thought there was a wire behind the cluster that I can tap into for viper 5701. any help would be appreciated.

    thanks,
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    I don't know about the Viper but I think the cluster tach is driven by a stepper motor via the PCM.
    It's a CUMMINS Dodge not a Dodge Cummins
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    thanks! according to the install manual, it needs 1v~6v AC signal.
    so I really have to go through the firewall just for the tach wire?
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    Some after market tachs are driven by the HB CKP (crankshaft position sensor). I believe that signal goes to the ICM. If I'm right then yes you have to wire into that signal.

    I think this is how they get a RPM signal when your car is on a dyno.

    Maybe someone else knows better and they'll chime in.
    It's a CUMMINS Dodge not a Dodge Cummins
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    well.. my problem is, the module is set to a mode called virtual tach, which seems to sense the voltage before and after to decide whether the engine is running.
    It works ok most of the time, but it seems to die, then restart especially more often when A/C is on. So I was trying to see if feeding the tach signal will solve the problem.
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    Change to voltage sense and forget about the virtual tach, and physical tach wire. Its in menu 3, option 2
    Last edited by KeithGTP03; 06-27-2012 at 04:44 PM.

    03 GTP...Its got pulleys and stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithGTP03 View Post
    Change to voltage sense and forget about the virtual tach, and physical tach wire. Its in menu 3, option 2
    wait.....voltage and virtual tach is different????? I'm confused.

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    3-2 ENGINE CHECKING VIRTUAL TACH: (1) When set to “virtual tach” the remote
    start will monitor the cranking voltage of the vehicle and set that voltage
    as a reference point. Fifteen seconds after the crank output sequence the remote
    start checks the voltage again to determine if the vehicle is running.
    When set to voltage, the unit cranks the starter for the programmed time and
    then attempts to sense that the engine is running by detecting an increase in
    voltage. When set to Tachometer, the unit references the learned tach signal to
    disengage the starter. In addition it will monitor the RPM and shut down if the
    engine RPM is too high or too low.
    Note: The tach wire must be connected and programmed for the manual transmission
    mode to work.
    ---------------------------------------

    apparently!??
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    So this thing is a remote starter system?

    Looks like the system senses if motor has started two ways:

    1. Increased system voltage from the alternator
    2. Increased engine RPM

    Keith is saying let the system work with #1 and forget about the virtual tach.
    It's a CUMMINS Dodge not a Dodge Cummins
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    Quote Originally Posted by kind153 View Post
    wait.....voltage and virtual tach is different????? I'm confused.

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    3-2 ENGINE CHECKING VIRTUAL TACH: (1) When set to “virtual tach” the remote
    start will monitor the cranking voltage of the vehicle and set that voltage
    as a reference point. Fifteen seconds after the crank output sequence the remote
    start checks the voltage again to determine if the vehicle is running.
    When set to voltage, the unit cranks the starter for the programmed time and
    then attempts to sense that the engine is running by detecting an increase in
    voltage. When set to Tachometer, the unit references the learned tach signal to
    disengage the starter. In addition it will monitor the RPM and shut down if the
    engine RPM is too high or too low.
    Note: The tach wire must be connected and programmed for the manual transmission
    mode to work.
    ---------------------------------------

    apparently!??
    Yes. If you set it to voltage sense you should be fine. If it still shuts down, you need to wait for it to shut down and check the LED blinks for the shutdown diagnostics. That will point you to the cause. I had issues with the virtual tach as well. Just switched to voltage sense and that was that.
    Basically just open the door, then turn the key to on then off. The hold the valet button until you hear a chirp from the siren. Keep holding the valet button until you hear 3 chirps (3rd menu). Release the button. Then press the valet button 3 times and hold it on the 3rd push. You should hear 2 chirps (option 2). You should only have to push the lock button on the remote once if you are currently on Virtual Tach. You should hear 2 chips and you can release the valet button.

    03 GTP...Its got pulleys and stuff.
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    got it - I changed it to voltage and so far so good. I've been thinking, for last 3 years, that virtual tach was the voltage sensing.
    anyway, thanks Keith!!
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