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    Quote Originally Posted by kevlws23 View Post
    yes still on e85 it does give more power its cheaper easy to get

    the bad 16mpg on a road tripe cant read the plugs worth a ****

    ass much as i drive it i should have went with 110

    i wouldent recomend e85 fore a dd 16mpg sucks
    unless we make our own!

    Also I drive 66 Miles highway and 5.5 miles Road on my daily trip to and from work and school. It's the same for because they are literally right next to each other. Kind of a luxury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevlws23 View Post
    i did the zzp hotwire kit 3 years ago and just asumed i was geting 15 volts at the pump (i get 15.3 at the alt)anyways i checked it the otherday at the pump and it was at 12 volts so i aded a relay now i get 14.9 at the pump
    Intrested in what and how you did that....care to explain?
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    Can you update how you added the relay for more voltage?
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    FWIW I bought the racetronics pump and harness. It is far better than the ZZP hot wire will ever be.
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    You have to get sufficient air in with that 40% increase in fuel. Which means you need even MORE airflow mods to be at the same point.
    I see what you are trying to say, but this statement is obviously confused.

    Did anyone clarify this?

    If you are changing the stoichiometric ratio from 14.7:1 to 9:1, then every time you increase the incoming air (which is either the 14.7 or the 9 depending on which fuel you are talking about) then you will need to keep the stoichiometric ratio the same no matter what.
    You need to adjust the amount of fuel for the set amount of air that your engine is able to process when switching between the two fuels.
    You need more E85 per unit of air than you do gasoline per unit of air, but once you set the fueling, you will not need to adjust the incoming air again.


    I completely understand why running E85 is not going to be ideal for everyone, but I really don't understand why so many people have a grudge against anyone that is running E85.
    There are good reasons to run E85, and there are good reasons not to.
    Can we all agree to disagree and not try to rewrite the laws of chemistry in the process please?

    If anyone needs clarification on stoichiometric ratios, please let me know.
    I have a degree in chemical engineering from Penn State, and work as a chemist. I am more than glad to help.

    Anyways,
    How is the E85 switch working out Bio?
    Any luck with the alky setup too?

    Also, is anyone that is running E85 on an M90 car running a higher compression ratio than the stock L67's 8.5:1?

    I'm curious as to how much of a higher compression ratio on an E85 setup will increase the fuel mileage (and hp too), and how high of a compression ratio you can use at what mod levels too. As we all know, the M90 isn't exactly the greatest at processing air efficiently but there are ways to compensate for that.

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    Wow, first off, indeed thanks for the compliments And no offense guys this is some of the worst info I've seen yet on E85 and conversions...This is why I get frustrated and look like an asshole. There's people commenting on E85 with little knowledge on the subject of E85 and have no idea how to use it on the w-body platform. Explain that to me?

    Anyways, I'm not going to decipher this entire thread for right and wrong, i just don't have the time. If anyone has any questions I'm always willing to help. Just email me at hndah8er84@aol.com as I'm usually not over here that often.

    Biggriggs, good to see you over here too!
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    Hey Mike, didn't know you were on this board too.
    I'm just a newb over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiggRiggs View Post
    Hey Mike, didn't know you were on this board too.
    I'm just a newb over here.

    -Riggs.
    I stop in here and there to say hi I get attracted by E85 and alky threads. BTW, your setup is going to max those 42.5's out really quick on E85. FWIW my non-i/c'd rocker setup with racetronix pump and re-wire gets about 16ipw's at WOT on 60's. And only 10 on 93 octane ouch! So it adds quite a bit.
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    im going to be running 65#ers. they are in my closet waiting to get put on when i start tuning this spring. im hoping that ill be able to hit some 12s with e85 and meth on street tires. that is all i want out of this car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio248 View Post
    im going to be running 65#ers. they are in my closet waiting to get put on when i start tuning this spring. im hoping that ill be able to hit some 12s with e85 and meth on street tires. that is all i want out of this car.
    You say that now lol, trust me you'll want more. My first name was 12.99someday, then 12.50someday, then 11secsomeday, now it's 10secsomeday lol. And I WILL run 10's this year
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    nah, i want a different car. im stuck between a g35 sport coupe or a legacy gt. ill have to test drive both to see which one i want more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio248 View Post
    nah, i want a different car. im stuck between a g35 sport coupe or a legacy gt. ill have to test drive both to see which one i want more.
    Damn I say Legacy...everyone's little rich ***** 19 year old has a G35 or 350Z...throw in a built EJ25 from the STi...pure, noob, POWNAGE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikegotone'02 View Post
    Wow, first off, indeed thanks for the compliments And no offense guys this is some of the worst info I've seen yet on E85 and conversions...This is why I get frustrated and look like an asshole. There's people commenting on E85 with little knowledge on the subject of E85 and have no idea how to use it on the w-body platform. Explain that to me?

    Anyways, I'm not going to decipher this entire thread for right and wrong, i just don't have the time. If anyone has any questions I'm always willing to help. Just email me at hndah8er84@aol.com as I'm usually not over here that often.

    Biggriggs, good to see you over here too!
    I don't know who you are pointing at when it comes to little knowledge. To defend myself I took what I had and tried to make sense of it. Instead of just saying this is horrible info would you mind replying and correcting what is wrong? I'm sorry if this comes off as rash but what it seems like you're implying within your comment is "you aren't going to waste time on petty fools like us to decipher this thread." You don't come off as an asshole for correcting us, at least not to me you don't, but you do the way you choose your words as if you're so much better than all of us and we should bow at your feet because you hold all knowledge. You had enough time to write up criticism but I wouldn't say it was constructive at all. I've talked to Cornburnin and he's enlightened myself further on the subject but I prefer to hear from more than one person how it works and is setup, especially someone like you. I'm not trying to start a fight or anything with you because I respect you and I've read other threads that you were involved in. I know you are very knowledgable on many subjects relating to the W-Body. I just wish you would take a different approach in your criticism of us.

    Also, IndeedSS, I don't know why you said Cornburnin is reluctant to help anyone. He was extremely generous and even willing to send me a tune for my car since we both have HPtuners. Whether he gives bad advice and may be wrong, I don't know and haven't experienced it, but as for his courtesy he was more than happy to help me out and said he would help anyone.

    You criticize that this information is so wrong but sometimes that is a good thing to have. It can be just as helpful to know what does not work as it is to know what does work.

    Again, please don't take this as an attack, but as contrsuctive criticism. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegtp91 View Post
    Damn I say Legacy...everyone's little rich ***** 19 year old has a G35 or 350Z...throw in a built EJ25 from the STi...pure, noob, POWNAGE
    Not trying to be a jerk and usually I don't care about Hijacking because people hijack threads that have been discussed 1,000,000 times already, but this is pretty much the only steady thread on e85 that we have over here. I'm not a moderator so I have no control over it, but would be appreciative if it stayed on track. Thanks
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    Also, Mike, one more thing. Instead of having to explain everything in an e-mail to anyone who is interested, because ultimately you'd just end up repeating yourself over and over again, could you maybe do a write up that could be stickied and maybe even put into the How To section. Talk about the Pros and Cons of e85 on the W-Body specifically, what kind of gains we can expect, why we should do it and why we shouldn't do it, how to set it up, how to tune it, your personal experiences with it, etc.. This would be way more beneficial to the community and it could potentially put you on the map in the grandprixforums.net community.

    I can tell you I would love something like that, especially if the writeup had more than 1 person involved. Maybe work together with others who have done this.
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    Here's a couple examples of why i get so pissed trying to decipher this thread and just decide to give you guys my email to answer question by question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrewings View Post
    If it's that easy, why don't I just change my AFR to 9.0:1 and I'll have more power!

    You have to get sufficient air in with that 40% increase in fuel. Which means you need even MORE airflow mods to be at the same point.
    Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrewings View Post
    Am I speaking a different language? If the supercharger could provide plenty of airflow, what's the point of headers, rockers/cam, throttle bodies, etc.

    Take one supercharged car running on gasoline. Another right next to it is running on E85. To dyno about the same, the E85 car would have to dump ~40% more fuel and pull in ~40% more air to match the gasoline car due to the drastically lower amount of energy contained in E85. If a 40% increase in airflow is easy, excuse me...

    There's physics and facts, and then there's what people want to believe. Choose which you want to be in on.
    Wrong

    Was this thread made so ^^^^ can attempt to talk us out of using E85? Can someone explain to me how the E85 cars can add 40% MORE air when they're on E85 compared to gasoline? Those comments are WRONG, and don't belong in this thread. Biggriggs already kind of took care of straightening that out with his smarts lol.

    So Quiklynx you're right i was quick to judge, i just couldn't read on anymore yesterday b/c i saw comments such as these. I say we just start a new thread, have it sticky'd, and EVERYONE contributes. Now that i actually took the time to read the whole thing there was/is good info here. We just need to filter out the useless crap and explain certain things into further detail so nobody gets confused. Biggriggs pretty much took care of the whole stoich thing, but i'm sure there will be more people asking about it. I've had numerous people email me asking why their car was running like crap. They go on to explain they're commanding 9:1 instead of 14.7 like it should be It's so easy to not explain that right and confuse the h*ll out of everyone lol.

    So what do you say guys, new thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quicklynx View Post
    Not trying to be a jerk and usually I don't care about Hijacking because people hijack threads that have been discussed 1,000,000 times already, but this is pretty much the only steady thread on e85 that we have over here. I'm not a moderator so I have no control over it, but would be appreciative if it stayed on track. Thanks
    Please.

    It was just a comment. Sorry for ruining your day. Next time I'll remember that your easily irritated from all the sand in your vagina.

    Look, you tell that other guy that he is an a**hole, or hit him with "constructive criticism" at that...I make ONE COMMENT and your up my ass about hijacking a thread? Whelp, I'm sorry and won't post in this thread again since it is the only E85 related thread on this board. That way no one gets pissed or rubbed the wrong way about hijacking. I made a comment. Sue me. Like you've never done that in your life.

    I don't mean to be an jacka**, I am just saying it as my opinion as some things hit me more than others. I guess some things bother me a bit more. Don't take it harshly if you do, it is just me venting.
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    Well I wasn't trying to be up in your ass and I tried to ask politely. To be honest I wasn't even angry about it and it didn't ruin my day. Its hard to interpret how people talk through e-mails, instant messages, forums, etc.. I assure you I wasn't being aggressive. I didn't use "!" to try and show you that I was calm. I'm a very easy going guy. I asked that you please be aware of this thread because it is a rare one on this site. I even said I'm not a moderator so I can't tell you not to hijack it. I didn't want to drift from my jurisdiction or abuse any power that I don't even have. I just asked you, said I would peronally appreciate it, and then thanked you. I'm sorry if you misinterpreted it, but the way you took it was no way in how I intended it.

    Technically I'm hijacking it now while having this off topiic discussion with you.
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    For the record I never called Mike an asshole. I said the way he comes off he is perceived as one.

    Anyways... back on topic

    Mike, you think you could write up How-To on e85 conversions in W-Bodies?

    Thanks man
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quicklynx View Post
    For the record I never called Mike an asshole. I said the way he comes off he is perceived as one.

    Anyways... back on topic

    Mike, you think you could write up How-To on e85 conversions in W-Bodies?

    Thanks man
    I just realized you already replied Mike, sorry about that. I'm using my phone at work so its harder to search through the forum.

    Yes I very much would like a thread worth stickying and when you start it please post the link in here. Thanks

    Sorry about the craziness going on, I was only trying to help. I apologize if I offended anyone.
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