no barking here. i can believe a great driver with headers and slicks. we were talking about stock man. when i say stock i mean nothing more than a drop in filter. the problem that started the whole disagreement was him posting a car doing 14.8's, talking about a car running 13's and telling me not to talk unless i know what im talking about. before i open my mouth i always make sure i research. i researched and found nothing supporting his claim. if there is someone out there then so be it, but i have not seen it, and it has not been proven to me. so like i have said already, we will just have to agree to disagree on this point and move on. if it is proven to me i will gladly admit that i was wrong.