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    having topswapped and blown it up i says its less work to go with a full motor and trans swap. you'll have less to worry about with the L67. look here for whole motors and trans in your area. car-part.com and try to find a 98+ gp, the others had some slight differences in trans setups.
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    I agree motor swap would be easier if you dont want to but a new GP, especially since you are replacing the tranny too.

    If you want to drop pullies in the future on a top swapped motor, i would get a MPS and some bigger injectors. I hear top swapped motors need more fuel so you need to upgrade injectors sooner. But you'll also probably need at least rockers, if not a cam to drop below stock pulley size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hockey101 View Post
    would the trans just drop in or do i need anything else to make it work?

    if i buy a top swap kit from ed containing:
    heads
    valve covers
    lower intake manifold
    injectors
    fuel rail
    supercharger
    TB (no maf)
    vac lines
    idler pullies
    brackets
    balancer
    what else do i need and
    about how much will gaskets run me?
    you will need a l67 map
    retuned pcm with top swap tune
    belts
    gaskets lim $55 s/c gasket oem not garlock $9 tb gasket $7 black rtv $7 injector orings $5 lim orings $5 head gaskets $68 probably best to change s/c coupler to $30 s/c oil $16 oil filter $7 oil pick up enought to do 2 oil changes so u can flush the engine after u replace the lim gasket so like 10l $30 probably do plugs to so another $12 someone correct me if i missed anything
    01 GTP is3 cam 130 springs double roller 60lb injectors lq4 maf headers 4000 stall lowered
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    Head bolts, Valve cover gaskets, crank bolt.
    '01 GT - Top swapped. ported SC/Heads/TB, SD headers, open cone, HPTuners, 3.4 MPS, 60#'s, E85.______________________SMGPFC #99_______________________
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoRoW99 View Post
    Head bolts, Valve cover gaskets, crank bolt.
    thanks i knew i was missing somthing go with arp head bolts
    01 GTP is3 cam 130 springs double roller 60lb injectors lq4 maf headers 4000 stall lowered
    sold 97 GTP stock
    Sold 2001 gp gt ssm90 plog dp 3.8 208 whp 265 at the crank 14.8 1/4
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    Get a NA engine, cam it and top swap it then motor swap that beast.
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    ya definitely gonna just get an l67 and 4t65e. I plan on doin it when it gets warmer and i'm outta school late june or early july (I'm still in highschool).
    My budget is about $1500. Is it possible on this budget or will i end up with an engine and trans that will decide to quit on me?
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    you might be able to pull it off for that, but you're gonna be real tight on cash.
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    It seems possible. just make sure you have some on the side in case something goes wrong.
    '01 GT - Top swapped. ported SC/Heads/TB, SD headers, open cone, HPTuners, 3.4 MPS, 60#'s, E85.______________________SMGPFC #99_______________________
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    just look around you can find deals
    01 GTP is3 cam 130 springs double roller 60lb injectors lq4 maf headers 4000 stall lowered
    sold 97 GTP stock
    Sold 2001 gp gt ssm90 plog dp 3.8 208 whp 265 at the crank 14.8 1/4
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    when looking for an engine and trans how many miles are too many?
    When i do the swap I plan on dropping pulley sizes with the engine eventually not sure when.
    i found a engine for $450 that has about 155k on it and a trans that has 142k for $350. Should i be looking for lower mileage parts, if so how low? I wouldn't really want to spend more than $1000 on an engine and trans because i want to get headers and a dp aswell.
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    Its more of a question of what you are comfortable with. As long as the owner didnt totally neglect it, the block will almost always be good. the trans however, it will be a toss up. the lower the better.
    '01 GT - Top swapped. ported SC/Heads/TB, SD headers, open cone, HPTuners, 3.4 MPS, 60#'s, E85.______________________SMGPFC #99_______________________
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    the only thing is i probably will be buying it from salvage yard because i can't find anybody selling engines or transmissions from a gtp in my area
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    No one in motor city...even on CL...has a used 3800...seriously?
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    theres one lapeer for 600 but its outta a 95 riveria so its not a 3800 series 2
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    Don't bother unless the car is a racecar. Topswapping is a pain in the ass just like a motor swap would be. Stick to stock.

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    find the lowest mile trans you can then find a engine with what you have left the trans is likely to go before the engine just refresh the lim gaskets and so on
    01 GTP is3 cam 130 springs double roller 60lb injectors lq4 maf headers 4000 stall lowered
    sold 97 GTP stock
    Sold 2001 gp gt ssm90 plog dp 3.8 208 whp 265 at the crank 14.8 1/4
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