Cold Air Intake

**Sabrewings** · 05-13-2008

Originally Posted by Stonewall

Oh SNAP!! Everyone stop! Don't buy the WizAired!! He has a poll!!!!!

Even by the end of that thread, the main antagonists against the WizAir shutup when they realize the HP gain with the K&N is all guesstimate and never actually dyno'd, while the WizAir is a proven custom design for the W-body which is dyno'd. I fail to see what you hope to prove.

Overall, that thread shows more people have the knowledge to step up and back their vote for the Wizair than just voting for the K&N and giving no supporting evidence.

**Sabrewings** · 05-13-2008

Created in error.

**archemedes** · 05-13-2008

I see 22 hp claims, that would only be true if the stock box was almost plugged shut, most real tests show less than 5 hp gains on any system (using track numbers as dyno numbers may not get the full results of moving air) which is better is a matter of opinion only (I don't like the k&n filter myself due to the marketing ploys)

**Sabrewings** · 05-13-2008

WBS says...

For those that prefer a big name air intake kit we offer the K&N AirCharger bolt-in intake. This is currently the only intake we offer that is compatible with the 2004+ Grand Prixs. For optimal performance we strongly recommend purchasing our JMB air intake kit, also available in this section.

ZZP says...

We recommend our Wizair air box for the optimum performance but we offer this for those that prefer the K&N brand name. Comes as a complete kit with filter and instructions.

**Stonewall** · 05-14-2008

I agree, the K&N is way overpriced for what you get (received mine as a gift) I would not pay simply for the K&N name. I only stated what I've read elswhere on the wizair. The best and least expensive approach is a DIY intake. There are tons of write-ups from the most basic to building you own box.

Not sure of what bug is up "Sabrewings" a$$. I guess it makes you feel powerful or some sh!t makeing wise-ass snide remarks.

**johnnyj773** · 05-14-2008

Originally Posted by Sabrewings

Oh SNAP!! Everyone stop! Don't buy the WizAired!! He has a poll!!!!!

Even by the end of that thread, the main antagonists against the WizAir shutup when they realize the HP gain with the K&N is all guesstimate and never actually dyno'd, while the WizAir is a proven custom design for the W-body which is dyno'd. I fail to see what you hope to prove.

Overall, that thread shows more people have the knowledge to step up and back their vote for the Wizair than just voting for the K&N and giving no supporting evidence.

too late,i got one.lol.and i felt the little increase from the wizaired too.

**johnnyj773** · 05-14-2008

and i also say to each his own,everybody has there own preferences.

**Stonewall** · 05-14-2008

Good buy John. Enjoy the new intake.

**Sabrewings** · 05-14-2008

Originally Posted by Stonewall

I only stated what I've read elswhere on the wizair.

Which you pushed as the truth when it is far from.

Originally Posted by Stonewall

There are tons of write-ups from the most basic to building you own box.

I know. I've written a couple.

Originally Posted by Stonewall

Not sure of what bug is up "Sabrewings" a$$. I guess it makes you feel powerful or some sh!t makeing wise-ass snide remarks.

Like I'm sure you feel more manly by bypassing a language filter to express yourself.

Put simply, you push on an issue which you have no first hand experience with, then try to back it up with nothing but a poll and comments from more people who have no first hand experience. It's nothing more than wasting space in this thread.

Then you try to play it off like you're on someone else's side...

Originally Posted by Stonewall

I've heard nothing but complaints about the quality of the wiz. The intake tubing is crap. No PCM mount. The heat insulation is on the wrong side of the box. Pain to get to the filter (you have to disassemble the box).

Doesn't sound like you think it's a good buy, but hey I guess we're all allowed to change our opinion.

**blowfishRus6** · 05-14-2008

haha

**blowfishRus6** · 05-14-2008

i think the wizard is good for what it is tho...AWESOME concept and with a few at home modifications its a relly good design and fuctioning intake..the performance is there as well as a "CAI" box. imo.

**johnnyj773** · 05-15-2008

damn lol

**Fish** · 05-17-2008

Since your still in HS, there is ZERO need to waste money on a box. This works plenty well.

**TCO** · 05-18-2008

Well I just placed my order at ZZPerformance for the Wizaird and a PCM. I hope to have it here either Wednesday or Thursday. I want to get it all installed before I take my car on a trip this weekend. What is the install time usually for this?

**Sabrewings** · 05-18-2008

WizAired didn't take me 30 minutes start to finish. A PCM will take about 30 minutes because of the security relearn. Also, you may need a CASE learn.

**johnnyj773** · 05-19-2008

can some shops install the pcm?

**TCO** · 05-19-2008

Originally Posted by Sabrewings

WizAired didn't take me 30 minutes start to finish. A PCM will take about 30 minutes because of the security relearn. Also, you may need a CASE learn.

What is a security relearn and a CASE learn?

**Sabrewings** · 05-19-2008

Security relearn allows the PCM to learn itself to your car's security system. This is required when the PCM wasn't originally installed in your car, or has since been installed in someone else's.

CASE (crank angle sensor error) learn is for the variances in the crank sensing system. It's slightly different for each car and the PCM needs to learn these variations. Most cars are close enough that it doesn't matter. If it's enough variance from what the PCM is used to, then it will throw a check engine light. Even if you don't get a light, it doesn't hurt (and is a good idea) to do the CASE learn.

**TCO** · 05-19-2008

What is all involved in both of those? How hard is it to do them?

Sorry about all of the questions, I just want to make sure I will do everything right.

**Sabrewings** · 05-19-2008

Originally Posted by TCO

What is all involved in both of those? How hard is it to do them?

Security relearn you can do yourself. All you need is your key and 30 minutes. Like I just told another member, search the PCM section and you'll find how.

CASE learn requires a Powrtuner (or maybe a HPT), a Aeroforce gauge, or Tech 2 type of computer.