Thread: cold air intake?

wizaired and K&N are overpriced pieces of excrement.

The FWI's look good, but won't support as much power.

An open cone will yield the highest power potential and will also be loudest. I won't run anything but an open cone on a blower car. Turbo cars too, but most of them require a short length of pipe or elbow for the filter to have clearance.

also, not being able to fully express myself through the gratuitous use of profanity is really cramping my style on this board...

Originally Posted by TDCRacing

Sorry but you're style will continue to be cramped. I can promise that. We don't want any of that CGP crap over here and I am for one happy that these tools are in place so you can't bring it.


Our goal is to help each other...Not degrade each other with profanity.

not degrading people, just worthless overrated intake designs in this case.

wouldn't want any honesty though, bad news...

Originally Posted by 1998xGTP

Ehh cut the hostility dude, worthless? Anything is better than the stock intake so it's not worthless. Just because you may not be willing to pay for it doesn't mean someone else isn't. So keep the crap to yourself

anything is NOT better than the stock airbox, just because it's aftermarket and costs alot does not make it better.

The SLP box for example...costs alot, terrible performance.

The Wizaired, 20 dollars worth of hardware store material, sold for well over 200

The K&N, nice filter, nice molded pipe, but horrendously overpriced

The FWIs on the market, look nice, clean, perform decently, but do not equal the performance of an open cone.


I will just never understand the rationale behind spending more money for less performance.

Originally Posted by bluegtp91

What kind of intake are you running there? Why not tell us your intake expertise so we can all learn from you

Your intake comments = FAIL...EPICALLY

I run a custom 4" Hot Air Intake setup with a open cone with my LS1 TB Setup...honestly though if you want a real intake. Get a TDC Fenderwell. WAY better than stock and it is a lot cheaper than the JMB, SLP, Wizaird, K&N...and whatever intake genius tells you.

When you are cammed/rockers/intercooled...or even a lot of bolt-ons...an race between a car with a CAI...FWI...and even a HAI...aren't going to make maybe more than a centimeter of a difference.

So all in all...I say TDC FWI or Open Cone on the MAF...both great intakes...and who cares really, you just wanna hear the blower nonetheless right??!

I've dynoed the difference, verified it with flow numbers, and proven it at the track, the HAI made a substantial difference over a FWI.

It's all in the adiabatic efficiency of the blower, and the effect that even a very minute amount of inlet vacuum can have on the outlet temperatures seen after the blower. The delta T is the important player, and when the difference in inlet temps is only 10-15 degrees, whereas the difference in outlet temps is over 50-60 degrees, the HAI becomes the clear winner. I played around with thermocouples for quite some time changing nothing but intake design, the differences are most certainly there. This thing didn't run 11s on homemade parts and home-ported stock stuff because of luck.

I run an SLP silicone elbow off of the LS1 TB, directly to a GM 85mm MAF, to which the filter is mounted. You won't beat the flow of this system unless you're running a TB of more than 75mm.

I'm glad you voiced your opinion on my years of knowledge based upon first hand testing being some sort of epic failure, it seems that constitutes a rather substantial failure of your own, no?

Originally Posted by bluegtp91

but not so much epic failure since you run the damned same intake as I do huh?

Wow...he is trying to prove his own theory wrong.

Originally Posted by lageR

I've dynoed the difference, verified it with flow numbers, and proven it at the track, the HAI made a substantial difference over a FWI.

It's all in the adiabatic efficiency of the blower, and the effect that even a very minute amount of inlet vacuum can have on the outlet temperatures seen after the blower. The delta T is the important player, and when the difference in inlet temps is only 10-15 degrees, whereas the difference in outlet temps is over 50-60 degrees, the HAI becomes the clear winner. I played around with thermocouples for quite some time changing nothing but intake design, the differences are most certainly there. This thing didn't run 11s on homemade parts and home-ported stock stuff because of luck.

I run an SLP silicone elbow off of the LS1 TB, directly to a GM 85mm MAF, to which the filter is mounted. You won't beat the flow of this system unless you're running a TB of more than 75mm.

I'm glad you voiced your opinion on my years of knowledge based upon first hand testing being some sort of epic failure, it seems that constitutes a rather substantial failure of your own, no?

Prove it.

I want video of the CAI on and off with dyno numbers. Proof that you're tune did not change,proof of ambient temps and proof of outlet temps.

Show me.

Originally Posted by TDCRacing

Prove it.

I want video of the CAI on and off with dyno numbers. Proof that you're tune did not change,proof of ambient temps and proof of outlet temps.

Show me.

The dyno testing was done almost 3 years ago, there's no videos, and I doubt I have the sheets anymore.

All my themocouple data was read directly from analog thermocouples, hand tablulated, and anything I graphed was on my old tuning computer that fried itself shortly after the last .bin I flashed almost a year and a half ago. I didn't really feel the need to back all the data up, because I was more than convinced enough of the behavior I was examining.

There's a reason that all the fastest blower cars you see run an open cone, and that reason is not that it sounds cool.