thanks, I did replace the remaining spark plugs and wires with no change also took it in to have codes read on it (don't have a code reader myself...yet) came up with several codes but the mechanic didn't really agree with all of them (wished I had my own code reader now) he found a blown gasket on the intake manifold... at 370$ i'll be fixing it myself, got a friend picking the car up and taking it to the muffler shop to check it out right now... appreciate the input please keep it coming, not crazy about the mechanics comment "well the blown gasket on the intake manifold is definitely a problem, not sure it's THE problem"...