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  1. #1 Car starts then rpm gauge drops immediately 
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    I need help I replaced both 02 sensors, map, maf and iac sensor, also the fuel pump and filter. Now car won't stay on what did I do wrong

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    Do you still have pressure in the fuel rail after the car shuts down? Almost sounds like it's not feeding it fuel after the initial prime when you turn the key on.
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    Yea fuel is getting to it do you think it could be the Ignition control module

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason97GrandprixGT View Post
    Yea fuel is getting to it do you think it could be the Ignition control module

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    Will it stay running at all? Or does it drop low and shoot back up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubwayBrat View Post
    Will it stay running at all? Or does it drop low and shoot back up?
    No it start and dies right after start up

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    Any Security light on? Have you tried holding the throttle and seeing if it will stay running if you give it gas?

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    I'd even unplug the new maf sensor and see if it can run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fivefingerdeathpunch View Post
    I'd even unplug the new maf sensor and see if it can run.
    Thanks I unplugged the new maf sensor and it works so I guess my wire harness is damaged?

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    Or the new maf is bad.

    Swap it for a new ac delco unit.

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    ^this^ The aftermarket MAF's for these cars can suck. I'd rather go to a JY and get a MAF than hassle with trying to get a new one to work out of the box from what I've seen. Or get a genuine Delco MAF as FFDP said.
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    why won't it run? Air, fuel, spark
    diagnose instead of throwing parts at it.

    fuel: you've replaced the filter and pump. Was it an OEM pump or aftermarket?
    Get under the car, disconnect the line from the pump into the filter. Put a container under the end of the hose.
    Key on without starting, listen for the pump to run and shut off. Did any fuel come out? if not your new pump is f*cked. I had two new airtex pumps crap out in one week because the check valve stuck closed and the system would not prime.

    OK so if fuel came out leave the line disconnected. Unscrew the filter. Go the the front of the engine and use an air line through the to purge the fuel lines from front to back. reconnect the filter and fuel line from the tank.

    Reprime a couple times, press the fuel needle valve and make sure gas comes out. Better yet use a pressure gage to check. You should have at least 50 psi at the rail and the pressure should not drop after prime.

    Find the diagram for bypassing the fuel pump resistor by bending the relay tab and do that.

    Next remove a spark plug then reconnect the wire from the coil. Crank the engine. If you have spark then your ICM and crank position sensor are good. If no spark you need to investigate further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mguzzo View Post
    why won't it run? Air, fuel, spark
    diagnose instead of throwing parts at it.

    fuel: you've replaced the filter and pump. Was it an OEM pump or aftermarket?
    Get under the car, disconnect the line from the pump into the filter. Put a container under the end of the hose.
    Key on without starting, listen for the pump to run and shut off. Did any fuel come out? if not your new pump is f*cked. I had two new airtex pumps crap out in one week because the check valve stuck closed and the system would not prime.

    OK so if fuel came out leave the line disconnected. Unscrew the filter. Go the the front of the engine and use an air line through the to purge the fuel lines from front to back. reconnect the filter and fuel line from the tank.

    Reprime a couple times, press the fuel needle valve and make sure gas comes out. Better yet use a pressure gage to check. You should have at least 50 psi at the rail and the pressure should not drop after prime.

    Find the diagram for bypassing the fuel pump resistor by bending the relay tab and do that.

    Next remove a spark plug then reconnect the wire from the coil. Crank the engine. If you have spark then your ICM and crank position sensor are good. If no spark you need to investigate further.
    It started running after I unplugged the maf connector so what could be the problem

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    why did you change all those parts in the first place? theres more going on i bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoggs View Post
    why did you change all those parts in the first place? theres more going on i bet.
    Because I thought the sensors went bad because the engine would die on me while I'm driving

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    thats the crank sensor 99% of the time. the tach ever just quit working? then stall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoggs View Post
    thats the crank sensor 99% of the time. the tach ever just quit working? then stall?
    The rpm gauge would drop to 0 and the car would stop moving

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    I replaced the crankshaft position sensor before do you think that could cause the engine to die at idle?

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    the harness to the crank sensor maybe bad. mine was. it ever set a code?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoggs View Post
    the harness to the crank sensor maybe bad. mine was. it ever set a code?
    My check engine light never been on

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    in that case id be checking the fuel pressure and the harness to the crank.

    all them parts you just changed mean nothing. with these obd2 cars you need a code to follow, or your guessing.

    a crank sensor will not throw a code most of the time, and neither will a bad fuel pump.

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