your both right.... lol i said screw the engine pulling.... did drop the subframe.... but got frusterated when i couldn't figure out how to get the trans out between the subframe and the body of the car...... so i said screw it.... putting it back together.... gonna just pay someone to do it when i get my tax money.... spending too much time on all this.... i had the trans unbolted from everything already.... just didn't wanna pry it away and not know how i was gonna get it out of there.... cuz the shock is in the way.... and so it just about everything in plain sight.... now i can't get the spindle back on the shock tower and the lower balljoint at the same time..... its really pissin me off now...